Re: JAWS Scripting And UIA
- From: Alex Midence <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 14:39:07 -0500
I'm actually surprised more users of the blind programmers list aren't
involved in the development of NVDA. It's written in Python which, I
think, a lot of you guys know. Probably wouldn't be hard to add some
c++ coding to it either since I hear you can embed Python into c++.
My big gripe with NVDA is that it's not very sophisticated. You can't
make app-specific configurations with it, you can't efficiently
navigate your screen with it either. Ther'es no mouse cursor the
way there is one for Jaws. If there is, it's not very intuitive.
Hopefully, a lot of this stuff'll change in the future. I have found
that it does a better job with some apps than either Jaws or window
Eyes. Open Office.org comes to mind. I can't imagine using NVDA as
my primary screen reader. It seems to just be good for
wordprocessing, and web browsing but little else. It seems to
particularly shine with things like Firefox, Thunderbird and WordPad.
Possibly does well with SeaMonkey. Office 2007 support is abismal
though. Word hardly works at all and powerpoint even less so.
Havent' tested Excel or Access.
Alex M.
On 7/15/10, DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26
<jude.dashiell@xxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Self-voicing is viable for Apple. Especially when it's time to install
> one of their modern operating systems. Were that not the case, I'd not
> be an Apple user now.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kerneels
> Roos
> Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 3:13
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: JAWS Scripting And UIA
>
> Last time I checked there were some noise made in the NVDA community
> about better UIA support being in the pipeline for the next version, or
> somewhere in the near future. There has also been some talk of
> implementing an off screen model as well. I believe NVDA has some UIA
> support already?
>
> Can you guys imagine what could happen if all of us and corporates and
> governments would donate something like 10% of the funds we spend on
> accessibility software towards a project like NVDA? Since NVDA is freely
> available, the whole wide world would benefit from every dollar invested
> in it as aposed to traditional paid for software where only the select
> few gain from one more paying customer. Just a thought.
>
> With that said I do support the paid for software model as well as open
> / free software -- there is a place for both.
>
> The other option for software vendors is to make their new software
> accessible without the use of a screen reader, like self voicing apps
> for example. It's probably not a viable option in most situations, but
> if they choose to use a very new technology which is not accessible yet,
> this might be the way to go for the first few versions until the screen
> reader guys have caught up.
>
> K
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 6:02 AM, Alex Midence <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>
> Oh, no! Ya just jinxed yourself, watch. =p I think the
> problems I
> was having had to do with the express edition. MS allegedly
> fixed the
> full studio edition right off the bat. All I know is, I'm using
> 2008
> now and it works jsut fine. Help files are more extensive too.
> Glad
> to know it's working well for you though. Are you a Jaws user?
>
> Alex
>
>
>
> On 7/14/10, katherine Moss <plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > I have been using both VCS express 2010 and VWD express 2010,
> they crash
> > periodically, but it's not significant enough for me to be
> concerned with it
> > ... not yet, at least.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> Alex Midence
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 8:58 PM
> > To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> > Subject: Re: JAWS Scripting And UIA
> >
> > Hi,.
> >
> > It's supposed to. I haven't thought much of it to tel you the
> truth.
> > I've encountered uia in microsoft learning essentials and vs
> c++ 2010
> > express. Both times, I had lots of problems. Vs Express is
> > practically unusable right now. Crashes like there's no
> tomorrow
> > unless you turn uia off. I don't think UIA is mature enough
> and I
> > don't think Jaws supports it well enough. I'd steer clear if
> I were
> > you.
> >
> > My two cents,
> > Alex M
> >
> > On 7/14/10, katherine Moss <plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
> >> Technology is getting more advanced, so I hope that the
> manufacturers are
> >> willing to advance with it. We as blind folks shouldn't be
> limited to the
> >> range o technologies we can use simply due to those people
> not cooperating
> >> and doing what needs to be done.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> RicksPlace
> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 1:10 PM
> >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: Re: JAWS Scripting And UIA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Thanks Jim: I have used WindowEyes for several years but am
> thinking of
> >> looking at JAWS. My guess is that the new Visual Studio will
> need
> > scripting
> >> since it is getting heavily into WPF, Silverlight and other
> stuff that I
> >> question how accessible the new stuff will be without some
> scripting help.
> > I
> >> don't know where WindowEyes is going with the new
> Accessibility standards
> >> and scripting but have read that at least some of the Visual
> Studio
> > features
> >> work with JAWS 11, although I am not sure about the current
> JAWS Scripts
> > and
> >> all that jazz. I am just looking into what might be required
> going
> > forward.
> >> Windows 7? WPF? Ado.net Entity Modeling or MVC? and a bunch
> of other
> > things
> >> like Silverlight, html5 and CSS3 that might pose problems
> for certain
> >> Screen Reader accessibility hooking and scripting
> implementations, used by
> >> JAWS and WindowEyes current flavors.Just a thought before I
> consider
> > picking
> >> a screen reader, operating system and development platform
> for the next
> > few
> >> years of Windows Programming and Web Development.
> >>
> >> Rick USA
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >>
> >> From: Homme, James <mailto:james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>
> >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 12:48 PM
> >>
> >> Subject: RE: JAWS Scripting And UIA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi Rick,
> >>
> >> With JAWS 11, yes, but I have heard that support is immature.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Jim
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Jim Homme,
> >>
> >> Usability Services,
> >>
> >> Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme
> >>
> >> Internal recipients, Read my
> >>
> <http://mysites.highmark.com/personal/lidikki/Blog/default.aspx>
> >> accessibility blog. Discuss
> >>
> <http://collaborate.highmark.com/COP/technical/accessibility/default.asp
> x>
> >> accessibility here. Accessibility
> >>
> >
> <http://collaborate.highmark.com/COP/technical/accessibility/Accessibili
> ty%2
> >> 0Wiki/Forms/AllPages.aspx> Wiki: Breaking news and
> accessibility advice
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
> RicksPlace
> >> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 11:02 AM
> >> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >> Subject: JAWS Scripting And UIA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> Hi: Does the JAWS Scripting Language support access to the
> UIA hooks for
> >> applications like VS and WPF or Silverlight?
> >>
> >> Rick USA
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
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