RE: JAWS Scripting And UIA
- From: "Homme, James" <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 07:02:43 -0400
Hi,
I hope it's not video card or driver dependent.
Jim
Jim Homme,
Usability Services,
Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme
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-----Original Message-----
From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of chris hallsworth
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 6:29 AM
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripting And UIA
Hi all, you are right. NVDA is having something called display hooks
implemented, which collects information sent directly from the computer
screen, rather than through accessibility APIs which not all programmers
use. System Access has this already.
Signed by Chris Hallsworth
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On 15/07/2010 8:12, Kerneels Roos wrote:
> Last time I checked there were some noise made in the NVDA community about
> better UIA support being in the pipeline for the next version, or somewhere
> in the near future. There has also been some talk of implementing an off
> screen model as well. I believe NVDA has some UIA support already?
>
> Can you guys imagine what could happen if all of us and corporates and
> governments would donate something like 10% of the funds we spend on
> accessibility software towards a project like NVDA? Since NVDA is freely
> available, the whole wide world would benefit from every dollar invested in
> it as aposed to traditional paid for software where only the select few gain
> from one more paying customer. Just a thought.
>
> With that said I do support the paid for software model as well as open /
> free software -- there is a place for both.
>
> The other option for software vendors is to make their new software
> accessible without the use of a screen reader, like self voicing apps for
> example. It's probably not a viable option in most situations, but if they
> choose to use a very new technology which is not accessible yet, this might
> be the way to go for the first few versions until the screen reader guys
> have caught up.
>
> K
>
> On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 6:02 AM, Alex Midence<alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
>
>> Oh, no! Ya just jinxed yourself, watch. =p I think the problems I
>> was having had to do with the express edition. MS allegedly fixed the
>> full studio edition right off the bat. All I know is, I'm using 2008
>> now and it works jsut fine. Help files are more extensive too. Glad
>> to know it's working well for you though. Are you a Jaws user?
>>
>> Alex
>>
>>
>> On 7/14/10, katherine Moss<plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>> I have been using both VCS express 2010 and VWD express 2010, they crash
>>> periodically, but it's not significant enough for me to be concerned with
>> it
>>> ... not yet, at least.
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alex Midence
>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 8:58 PM
>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>> Subject: Re: JAWS Scripting And UIA
>>>
>>> Hi,.
>>>
>>> It's supposed to. I haven't thought much of it to tel you the truth.
>>> I've encountered uia in microsoft learning essentials and vs c++ 2010
>>> express. Both times, I had lots of problems. Vs Express is
>>> practically unusable right now. Crashes like there's no tomorrow
>>> unless you turn uia off. I don't think UIA is mature enough and I
>>> don't think Jaws supports it well enough. I'd steer clear if I were
>>> you.
>>>
>>> My two cents,
>>> Alex M
>>>
>>> On 7/14/10, katherine Moss<plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> Technology is getting more advanced, so I hope that the manufacturers
>> are
>>>> willing to advance with it. We as blind folks shouldn't be limited to
>> the
>>>> range o technologies we can use simply due to those people not
>> cooperating
>>>> and doing what needs to be done.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 1:10 PM
>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: Re: JAWS Scripting And UIA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks Jim: I have used WindowEyes for several years but am thinking of
>>>> looking at JAWS. My guess is that the new Visual Studio will need
>>> scripting
>>>> since it is getting heavily into WPF, Silverlight and other stuff that
>> I
>>>> question how accessible the new stuff will be without some scripting
>> help.
>>> I
>>>> don't know where WindowEyes is going with the new Accessibility
>> standards
>>>> and scripting but have read that at least some of the Visual Studio
>>> features
>>>> work with JAWS 11, although I am not sure about the current JAWS Scripts
>>> and
>>>> all that jazz. I am just looking into what might be required going
>>> forward.
>>>> Windows 7? WPF? Ado.net Entity Modeling or MVC? and a bunch of other
>>> things
>>>> like Silverlight, html5 and CSS3 that might pose problems for certain
>>>> Screen Reader accessibility hooking and scripting implementations, used
>> by
>>>> JAWS and WindowEyes current flavors.Just a thought before I consider
>>> picking
>>>> a screen reader, operating system and development platform for the next
>>> few
>>>> years of Windows Programming and Web Development.
>>>>
>>>> Rick USA
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>
>>>> From: Homme, James<mailto:james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>>>
>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 12:48 PM
>>>>
>>>> Subject: RE: JAWS Scripting And UIA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi Rick,
>>>>
>>>> With JAWS 11, yes, but I have heard that support is immature.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jim
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jim Homme,
>>>>
>>>> Usability Services,
>>>>
>>>> Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of RicksPlace
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 11:02 AM
>>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>> Subject: JAWS Scripting And UIA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hi: Does the JAWS Scripting Language support access to the UIA hooks for
>>>> applications like VS and WPF or Silverlight?
>>>>
>>>> Rick USA
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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