RE: JAWS Scripting And UIA
- From: "DaShiell, Jude T. CIV NAVAIR 1490, 1, 26" <jude.dashiell@xxxxxxxx>
- To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Thu, 15 Jul 2010 07:16:52 -0400
Self-voicing is viable for Apple. Especially when it's time to install
one of their modern operating systems. Were that not the case, I'd not
be an Apple user now.
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From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Kerneels
Roos
Sent: Thursday, July 15, 2010 3:13
To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: Re: JAWS Scripting And UIA
Last time I checked there were some noise made in the NVDA community
about better UIA support being in the pipeline for the next version, or
somewhere in the near future. There has also been some talk of
implementing an off screen model as well. I believe NVDA has some UIA
support already?
Can you guys imagine what could happen if all of us and corporates and
governments would donate something like 10% of the funds we spend on
accessibility software towards a project like NVDA? Since NVDA is freely
available, the whole wide world would benefit from every dollar invested
in it as aposed to traditional paid for software where only the select
few gain from one more paying customer. Just a thought.
With that said I do support the paid for software model as well as open
/ free software -- there is a place for both.
The other option for software vendors is to make their new software
accessible without the use of a screen reader, like self voicing apps
for example. It's probably not a viable option in most situations, but
if they choose to use a very new technology which is not accessible yet,
this might be the way to go for the first few versions until the screen
reader guys have caught up.
K
On Thu, Jul 15, 2010 at 6:02 AM, Alex Midence <alex.midence@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
Oh, no! Ya just jinxed yourself, watch. =p I think the
problems I
was having had to do with the express edition. MS allegedly
fixed the
full studio edition right off the bat. All I know is, I'm using
2008
now and it works jsut fine. Help files are more extensive too.
Glad
to know it's working well for you though. Are you a Jaws user?
Alex
On 7/14/10, katherine Moss <plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> I have been using both VCS express 2010 and VWD express 2010,
they crash
> periodically, but it's not significant enough for me to be
concerned with it
> ... not yet, at least.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
Alex Midence
> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 8:58 PM
> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: Re: JAWS Scripting And UIA
>
> Hi,.
>
> It's supposed to. I haven't thought much of it to tel you the
truth.
> I've encountered uia in microsoft learning essentials and vs
c++ 2010
> express. Both times, I had lots of problems. Vs Express is
> practically unusable right now. Crashes like there's no
tomorrow
> unless you turn uia off. I don't think UIA is mature enough
and I
> don't think Jaws supports it well enough. I'd steer clear if
I were
> you.
>
> My two cents,
> Alex M
>
> On 7/14/10, katherine Moss <plymouthroamer285@xxxxxxxxx>
wrote:
>> Technology is getting more advanced, so I hope that the
manufacturers are
>> willing to advance with it. We as blind folks shouldn't be
limited to the
>> range o technologies we can use simply due to those people
not cooperating
>> and doing what needs to be done.
>>
>>
>>
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
RicksPlace
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 1:10 PM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: Re: JAWS Scripting And UIA
>>
>>
>>
>> Thanks Jim: I have used WindowEyes for several years but am
thinking of
>> looking at JAWS. My guess is that the new Visual Studio will
need
> scripting
>> since it is getting heavily into WPF, Silverlight and other
stuff that I
>> question how accessible the new stuff will be without some
scripting help.
> I
>> don't know where WindowEyes is going with the new
Accessibility standards
>> and scripting but have read that at least some of the Visual
Studio
> features
>> work with JAWS 11, although I am not sure about the current
JAWS Scripts
> and
>> all that jazz. I am just looking into what might be required
going
> forward.
>> Windows 7? WPF? Ado.net Entity Modeling or MVC? and a bunch
of other
> things
>> like Silverlight, html5 and CSS3 that might pose problems
for certain
>> Screen Reader accessibility hooking and scripting
implementations, used by
>> JAWS and WindowEyes current flavors.Just a thought before I
consider
> picking
>> a screen reader, operating system and development platform
for the next
> few
>> years of Windows Programming and Web Development.
>>
>> Rick USA
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> From: Homme, James <mailto:james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx>
>>
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 12:48 PM
>>
>> Subject: RE: JAWS Scripting And UIA
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi Rick,
>>
>> With JAWS 11, yes, but I have heard that support is immature.
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim
>>
>>
>>
>> Jim Homme,
>>
>> Usability Services,
>>
>> Phone: 412-544-1810. Skype: jim.homme
>>
>> Internal recipients, Read my
>>
<http://mysites.highmark.com/personal/lidikki/Blog/default.aspx>
>> accessibility blog. Discuss
>>
<http://collaborate.highmark.com/COP/technical/accessibility/default.asp
x>
>> accessibility here. Accessibility
>>
>
<http://collaborate.highmark.com/COP/technical/accessibility/Accessibili
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>> 0Wiki/Forms/AllPages.aspx> Wiki: Breaking news and
accessibility advice
>>
>>
>>
>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of
RicksPlace
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 14, 2010 11:02 AM
>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: JAWS Scripting And UIA
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi: Does the JAWS Scripting Language support access to the
UIA hooks for
>> applications like VS and WPF or Silverlight?
>>
>> Rick USA
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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