Re: Fritz Will Be Digging Into This - Window-Eyes Scripting Introduction
- From: "Jackie McBride" <abletec@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2008 10:53:38 -0700
Thanks, James:
Since this thread seems to be degenerating, that was 1 of the more
cogent posts on it. Go Fritz!
On 4/14/08, Octavian Rasnita <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> In a debate game, you would be a big loser. :-)
> You debate, then telling that you don't like those who debate, then you tell
> me that you won't answer just for having the last word.
>
> I don't care who has the last word, and I don't care about debating now, but
> I just pointed you what I like in a screen reader and OS and browser, and I
> think that each one has his or her taste.
>
> If you don't agree that lynx is a crappy program for the year 2008, it is
> not a problem. It's your opinion.
>
> Octavian
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Mario Percinic" <mario.percinic@xxxxxxxxx>
> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 7:39 PM
> Subject: Re: Fritz Will Be Digging Into This - Window-Eyes Scripting
> Introduction
>
>
> > Well i told you what i think about you and your way of thinking in the
> > message above so from me no mor comments on none of your posts.
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
> > To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> > Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 1:06 PM
> > Subject: Re: Fritz Will Be Digging Into This - Window-Eyes Scripting
> > Introduction
> >
> >
> >>I already have that book. Have you read it?
> >> Do you think that covers all the things that the guys that made
> >> Eloquence, AT&T Natural Voices, DEC Talk know, in order to be able to
> >> make a synthesizer at least as good as those?
> >>
> >> You got a problem man. I told that this information is good to have, and
> >> I told that it would require much more information than that book you are
> >> talking about, in order to be able to create a real good synthesizer.
> >> Don't you agree? Or you think that most blind programmers are lazy enough
> >> and don't want to read just that book for beeing able to create a
> >> synthesizer?
> >>
> >> I know another good programmer that might still be a member of this list,
> >> which is much more interested in this subject than me and who knows much
> >> more than me about synthesizers, and he would have already made one until
> >> now if that book would have been enough.
> >>
> >> Octavian
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Mario Percinic" <mario.percinic@xxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 11:27 AM
> >> Subject: RE: Fritz Will Be Digging Into This - Window-Eyes Scripting
> >> Introduction
> >>
> >>
> >>> Lol man you are really starting to be funny. Again for who knows how
> >>> many
> >>> times you are concluding something without complete imformation.
> >>> So next time before you start making conclusions, , checkout google and
> >>> the
> >>> book called "MAPI,SAPI and TAPI Developer's Guide"
> >>>
> >>> -----Original Message-----
> >>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Octavian
> >>> Rasnita
> >>> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 9:51 AM
> >>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>> Subject: Re: Fritz Will Be Digging Into This - Window-Eyes Scripting
> >>> Introduction
> >>>
> >>> That information, which I think it can also be found on Microsoft's
> >>> site, is
> >>>
> >>> good to have, but it would be also helpful to have as much information
> >>> about
> >>>
> >>> creating a voice synthesizer.
> >>>
> >>> Creating a SAPI voice talks about the SAPI standard, but it would be
> >>> also
> >>> important to know the ways of creating synthesizers, how to compose the
> >>> sounds, or how to join phonems, how to adjust the pitch, tone, how to
> >>> parse
> >>> the text for changing the sound parameters based on the grammar, and so
> >>> on.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> Octavian
> >>>
> >>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>> From: "Mario Percinic" <mario.percinic@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 8:57 AM
> >>> Subject: RE: Fritz Will Be Digging Into This - Window-Eyes Scripting
> >>> Introduction
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>> Sure my friend, let me just brows thru my very big archive of ebooks
> >>>> and
> >>>> i'll send it to you. Don't worry it will be today :)
> >>>>
> >>>> -----Original Message-----
> >>>> From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> [mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of inthaneelf
> >>>> Sent: Monday, April 14, 2008 2:14 AM
> >>>> To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> >>>> Subject: Re: Fritz Will Be Digging Into This - Window-Eyes Scripting
> >>>> Introduction
> >>>>
> >>>> Mario, in your last message, you said "I have the documentation about
> >>>> SAPI
> >>>> synths and how to make them, I can send you the book about it."
> >>>>
> >>>> would you send me that book/information please, there have been folks
> >>>> looking for information like that out here, smile.
> >>>>
> >>>> thanks,
> >>>> inthane
> >>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>> From: "Mario Percinic" <mario.percinic@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 4:07 PM
> >>>> Subject: Re: Fritz Will Be Digging Into This - Window-Eyes Scripting
> >>>> Introduction
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>> Well since you brought up some very good questions,let me break this
> >>>>> message into logical pieces and give you the answers.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> ----- Original Message -----
> >>>>> From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >>>>> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 9:26 PM
> >>>>> Subject: Re: Fritz Will Be Digging Into This - Window-Eyes Scripting
> >>>>> Introduction
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> "Yes, of course I am lazy. So? Is this a problem? :-)"
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> No ofcourse not, everyone chooses its own way. I was just stating how
> >>>>> the situation in general works with blind popularity, no matter in
> >>>>> what country you are. Ok ofcourse, in smaller countrys like Romania or
> >>>>> Croatia in my case, the situation is harder but than the person has to
> >>>>> see if the solution can be adapted for your language considering the
> >>>>> best results, financial situation, amount of people who work on the
> >>>>> project, timing, knoledge etc.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> "I don't think I can build a software synthesizer at least as good as
> >>>>>> US Eloquence by just reading the documentation and making research,
> >>>>>> without knowing C/C++."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> Correct, but i never said that. When i said that you can checkout
> >>>>> espeak, i thought that you will find the documentation and the web
> >>>>> page considering the thinks you did in the past. In order to make
> >>>>> better improvements for espeak you really don't need to know c plus
> >>>>> plus, ok if you know it better for you, but still you can see what
> >>>>> sounds wrong and what you can do to make it sound better or to
> >>>>> pronounce different characters or words, and also make different
> >>>>> voices which really can sound completely different.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> "There are more romanian synthesizers, but I don't like any of them,
> >>>>>> and they all are made by software companies that have more good
> >>>> programmers.
> >>>>>> One of them sounds pretty good but is very slow responsive, another
> >>>>>> one sounds like a robot and it doesn't work at a higher rate, another
> >>>>>> one sounds very very bad (the one which is made by the german company
> >>>>>> Baum, that company that made Gnopernicus screen reader for Linux, and
> >>>>>> Virgo screen reader for Windows)."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> If some company has more developers employed that doesn't need to mean
> >>>>> anything. In my case, software solutions which were made by an
> >>>>> individual showed up as better because the developer really showed
> >>>>> more interest that his aplication works with all screen readers,
> >>>> languages, protocols etc.
> >>>>> I worked on almost all software synth development exept Check
> >>>>> wintalker voice which is also have adapted for Croatian language.
> >>>>> I told you to try and join espeak development team for Romanian mainly
> >>>>> because espeak is right now used under windows as a sapi 5, as a stand
> >>>>> alone portable version in windows screen reader called nvda, and orca
> >>>>> for linux and also it can work with mac. So lots of platforms are
> >>>>> supported, just because its author is very open minded and accepts
> >>>>> lots of suggestion as long as the person knows language rules and
> >>>>> something about computer usage.
> >>>>> If you need more info about speech synths you can contact me privately
> >>>>> and i'll write you more about it.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> "Even if I would know C/C++, I don't think that it would be easy
> >>>>>> enough to create a better synthesizer than US Eloquence.
> >>>>>> And by the way, where can we find documentation about how to create a
> >>>>>> synthesizer at least as good and fast as Eloquence?
> >>>>>> I am asking this, because you seem to be very well informed..."
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> I have the documentation about sapi synths and how to make them, i can
> >>>>> send you the book about it. Eloquence as far as i'm aware came out
> >>>>> from IBM's via voice which became eloquence at the later time.
> >>>>> Eloquence belongs to the group of formant speech synthesizers and that
> >>>>> explains one of the sides why is it so responsive.
> >>>>> Mario
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