I have tried espeak, but it sounds pretty bad. The romanian sinth of MBrola also sounds badly.I don't think it is a problem of Eloquence with my settings, because the same Eloquence works very well in Jaws 6, but it doesn't work well with Jaws 7.
The letter t is very closed to the letter t, as well as the letter s looks very closed to s, so FS prefered to make those letters sound nice for the ears of those who are not so interested in the advanced details like the ANSI code of the chars.
When I just read the text, it is also ok for me, but not when I am correcting the text.
Octavian----- Original Message ----- From: "Mario Percinic" <mario.percinic@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 7:54 PMSubject: Re: Fritz Will Be Digging Into This - Window-Eyes Scripting Introduction
No, the problem is not because you read romanian texts with english eloquence. The point is that each synth language is relating to its registry values so that it knows how to read all the characters correctly. That's why i was suggesting to you to use some other synth for romanian. I don't know if you have some software synths or you don't. however if you don't have it or you are not satisfied i would recommend to you to try espeak which has support for romanian which could be improved since its an open source product, has Sapi5 support and after eloquence i found it the most responsive. I was developing espeak for Croatian language and for the last year that's the only synth i use exept eloquence on all of the systems where i work. It is very configurable , and with different voice variants you can make it to sound how you want. Since i used dolphin synths allot i made voice variant which sounds very similar to dolphin appollo or orpheus. However if you don't like its voice you can use it as a frontent for Mbrola and i know that there is mbrola for Romanian ----- Original Message ----- From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 12:37 PMSubject: Re: Fritz Will Be Digging Into This - Window-Eyes Scripting IntroductionI am using Jaws with Eloquence, the default sinthesizer of Jaws.I don't think it should be a problem that I am reading texts in romanian language with an english sinthesizer. The sinthesizer shouldn't read 2 different chars in the same way without offering a possibility of reading them as it used to read them before (differently).Octavian----- Original Message ----- From: "Mario Percinic" <mario.percinic@xxxxxxxxx>To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2008 11:55 AMSubject: Re: Fritz Will Be Digging Into This - Window-Eyes Scripting IntroductionWell that could be the case with synth you are using, and not with jaws. Speech synth also has to know how to read surtain characters in order to read it properly, screen reader is not the only case. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Octavian Rasnita" <orasnita@xxxxxxxxx>To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 8:59 PMSubject: Re: Fritz Will Be Digging Into This - Window-Eyes Scripting IntroductionWell, I can say that I am afraid exactly of Unicode.This is the reason I am still using Jaws 6. Since Jaws 7, Jaws has Unicode features, but since then it doesn't read the special chars as in Jaws 6 or below.For example, in Jaws 6, it reads the letter t as thorn, s as degrees, a as ei tilda, and other few special chars, but starting with Jaws 7, for t it reads t, for s it reads s, for a it reads a, so I don't know where there is a t or a simple t, a s or a simple s, an a or a simple a.I can make some settings in Jaws to read them correctly when they are read as separate letters, but when they are read in words, those words don't sound like before, and I don't like that.Octavian----- Original Message ----- From: "Mario Percinic" <mario.percinic@xxxxxxxxx>To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 4:55 PMSubject: RE: Fritz Will Be Digging Into This - Window-Eyes Scripting IntroductionOctavian, windoweyes 7 will have full unicode support which wasn't the case with previous versions, so you don't have to be afraid, it will support lotsof languages and synths for them, including braille support.What i can tell you also from my personal expirience is that since version 5.5 of windoweyes its possible to have both jaws and windoweyes on the samemachine. -----Original Message----- From: programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx[mailto:programmingblind-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Octavian RasnitaSent: Friday, April 11, 2008 2:07 PM To: programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: Fritz Will Be Digging Into This - Window-Eyes Scripting Introduction This is great! The fact that Window Eyes supports scripting, and not just a singleproprietary scripting language not very well documented, but any language that supports com automation, and if I also add the fact that Window Eyes can be set to use the same keyboard layout as Jaws, I think that even if itis not the best screen reader yet, it will surely be very soon.I have used Window Eyes a long time ago, but I didn't like its keyboard layout, and I heard that it is also not very friendly with some apps I use. Now I think the engineers from GW Micro will be able to make easier scripts for those applications (like Office, VS.net...), so I don't think Jaws hasmany advantages... at least from what I heard. (I hope I won't have a different opinion after trying the latest Window Eyes).As a marketing tip, I think GW Micro could make a special offer to Jaws users, and allow them to pass to Window Eyes with smaller costs. In that case, I think there will be many users that won't find any reason to staywith Jaws.I don't know how good is Window Eyes with Java apps though, nor how well reads Window Eyes the special chars in other languages with the englishsynthesizer.Does anyone know if Window Eyes can be installed on the same computer thathas Jaws (6) installed?The Video Intercept Manager makes me afraid to test another screen readerwhen Jaws is installed... Octavian ----- Original Message ----- From: <james.homme@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <programmingblind@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Friday, April 11, 2008 2:46 PM Subject: Fritz Will Be Digging Into This - Window-Eyes Scripting IntroductionHi, This looks more powerful to me than JAWS scripting. From the web page: http://www.gwmicro.com/News_&_Events/Latest_News/?newsNo=87 A Short Introduction to Window-Eyes Scripting, and the Window-Eyes Object Model Feb-02-2008 As you most likely know by now, the scripting cat is out of the scripting bag. At ATIA, GW Micro introduced one of the most requested features inWindow-Eyes: support for a scripting language. Not only is Window-Eyes providing a scripting support, but the method being used is by far theeasiest available in the market today. As time goes on, we will provide more information. For now, I'd like to provide you with a small section of the introduction in the Window-Eyes Scriptingdocumentation.Enjoy! ***** The Window-Eyes scripting engine is a COM Automation server. COM Automation, according to Microsoft, is "a technology that allows software packages to expose their unique features to scripting tools and other applications." That means all the guts of Window-Eyes are accessible through various objects, properties, methods, and events (these items make up the Window-Eyes Object Model). In addition, Window-Eyes embeds ActiveScript engines, including VBScript and JScript. This means that you can create scripts in VBScript, JScript(which is Microsoft's proprietary version of JavaScript), or any languagethat supports COM automation.Are you a Perl programmer, and want to use PerlScript? Be our guest. Do you prefer Python? Then why not create your scripts in ActivePython? Granted, the PerlScript, PythonScript, and similar parsing engines would need to be installed on machines where the scripts in those languages are going to be used. But if you're only creating scripts for yourself, and you happen to be an excellent Perl programmer, you have the power. Are you a C++ programmer? Are you a Visual Basic programmer? Do you use VBA, PHP, or .NET? Regardless of the language you choose, as long as it supports COM Automation, you can make Window-Eyes sing (literally, if you want).Unlike other scripting engines' limited exposing of their interface toother applications and the use of proprietary languages, Window-Eyesscripting is an open server that not only hosts clients (i.e. scripts,executables, etc.), but also exposes itself through COM Automation to other applications. In other words, in addition to creating scripts that Window-Eyes can host, you can also access Window-Eyes objects from other programs. The possibilities are endless. How to Use this GuideThe Window-Eyes Object Model reference is divided into several sections.The Objects section contains a detailed listing of all available objects, along with their properties, methods, and events. The Enumerations section lists all available constants and their values. The Custom User Interface section talks about creating your own dialogs using the Window-Eyes scripting engine. Lastly, the Tips & Tricks section provides a few ways to do common scripting tasks. The Window-Eyes Object Model reference standardizes with the VBScriptlanguage. All examples, syntax, and other notation will be in VBScriptunless otherwise noted. What are Objects, Properties, Methods, and Events? Objects are containers of data, the data being a combination of properties (or attributes), methods (things you can make an object do), and events (things that an object causes to happen). Understanding the organization of an object is best done through analogy. Imagine a dog as an object. A dog has properties, such as color, height, weight, breed, and so on. A dog has methods (or functions) such as sit, speak, stay, roll over, and heel -- these are commands that you tell a dog to perform. A dog also has events, includingbarking, tail wagging, and chasing cars -- these are things that dogs doin their free time.What About Syntax? As mentioned previously, the Window-Eyes Object Model reference will use VBScript when supplying syntax and examples. It is important to note, however, that accessing object information is similar in other programming languages -- you are not restricted to using VBScript. When you're working with objects, you access properties and methods using a convention called a dot operator, meaning you use a dot (or period) to connect an object with a property or method. For example, to assign a color to a dog object, you might do: Dog.Color = "Brown" To command your dog object to perform a task, you might say: Dog.PlayDead To listen for your dog object to bark, and then command your dog object to behave, you might try: Sub MyDogBarked() Dog.Silence Dog.Sit Dog.Stay End Sub Syntax will become clearer as you read through the various objects sections, and review examples. 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