[program-l] Re: Objective-C coding for iOS on windows 7
- From: Soronel Haetir <soronel.haetir@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 4 Oct 2012 11:11:58 -0800
Visual Studio (at least as shipped by Microsoft, there might be third
party extensions but if so I don't know what they would be) does not
support objective-c.
I know that various gcc toolchains do support it, but that is only
half the story as you would need Apple's libraries in order to link
binaries that would actually run on a mac system, and I don't know
what hoops you would need to go through to get those libraries or to
get them set up on a windows system after you did acquire them.
On 10/4/12, Lamar Upshaw <lmr.upshaw@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Just curious, but how did you begin learning objective-C? I'd like to learn
> it, hopefully as easily as I learned perl and javascript, but I find
> there's
> a lot of hoops to jump through to get the compiler packages set up in
> windows, and I have no idea of visual studio supports objective-C.
>
> LaMar
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Louis Bryant
> Sent: Wednesday, October 03, 2012 10:32 PM
> To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [program-l] Re: Objective-C coding for iOS on windows 7
>
> Hi. You're asking great questions. JavaScript is partially object-oriented.
> Meaning, objects are built-in to the language but you cannot create your
> own. With PhoneGap, the only times you'd create objects is when you need to
> implement functionality that isn't part of the API. In this case, you'd
> need
> an Apple computer and you will need to know Objective-C. If you have more
> questions, please ask and I'll do my best to answer them. I've finally got
> a
> hand on Objective-C and building interfaces without Interface Builder! I
> just have to sit down sometime and put myself to the test. HTH.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> 1f#c 1lam@> 1up@aw <lmr.upshaw@xxxxxxxxx> 1to#c <program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> Date: Wednesday, Oct 3, 2012 08:46:33 AM
> Subject: [program-l] Re: Objective-C coding for iOS on windows 7
>
>>
>>
>> I can definitely see how this can give us, as blind and low vision
>> developers, an edge at creating a passable graphical user interface
>> for iOS and Android platforms, but is it enough to create apps that
>> would be able to have objects that may need to send messages among
>> each other? I swear I don't mean to whip a dead horse, or ruffle
>> anyone's feathers, just trying to get clarity. I like that I can use
>> HTML to create the user interface, and javascript to handle the
>> computations behind the scenes, but javascript isn't object oriented,
>> is it? Lol. So much changes over a short period of time, I'm afraid I
>> may have missed something, or could be completely misunderstanding how
>> things work. Please bare with me. I'll get it in short order.
>>
>>
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> @@@> 1f#c program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Louis Bryant
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 7:40 AM
> @@@> 1to#c program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [program-l] Re: Objective-C coding for iOS on windows 7
>>
>> Hi. PhoneGap is different. You simply develop the app using HTML5 and
>> JavaScript. Using JavaScript, you can access sensors, the camera,
>> compass, accelerometer, ETC. It is very accessible, and the apps pose
>> no security threats whatsoever. In fact, tuns of apps have been
>> released to the App Store and Android market using PhoneGap. It is
>> really worth a look. If you don't want to use PhoneGap Build then it
>> is up to you to have the necessary hardware and SDK's to compile the
>> generated apps yourself. Your HTML5 and JavaScript are transformed
>> into native Objective-C code. You can access the local filesystem or
>> remote servers in your JavaScript as well. I'll say it again, it's
> definitely worth a go at! HTH.
>>
> @@@> ----- Original Message -----
> @@@> cb-dsa2fcb-ds2;c cb-dsa2ian 1@3p@>pe <isforums@xxxxxxxx> @@@>
> cb-dsa2tocb-ds2;c <program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
>> Date: Monday, Oct 1, 2012 06:23:59 PM
>> Subject: [program-l] Re: Objective-C coding for iOS on windows 7
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > Thanks for this Louis. I had heard of phone gap and other similar
>> > offerings which solved the issue of deploying to multiple Oss but
>> > had misunderstood their implementation. I had thought that you
>> > simply develop the app in native code, then run it through something
>> > like phone gap which generated the necessary binaries for whichever
> platform.
>> >
>> > Do you happen to know whether it is possible to host a web app
>> > inside a browser which provides access to local interfaces such as
>> > accelerometers etc as described previously? Or do you simply develop
>> > the app as a stand-alone client application using HTML and Javascript?
>> > As I said, I don't have any experience of deploying to the app store
>> > but did hear that apps have to conform to some kind of UI standard.
>> > I can understand therefore why developing an app whose interface is
>> > dynamic and dependent on a remote web application could be an issue.
>> >
>> > Cheers
>> > Ian
>> >
> @@@> @@@> -----Original Message-----
> @@@> @@@> 1f#c program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx @@@>
> [mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> > On Behalf Of Louis Bryant
>> > Sent: 01 October 2012 15:08
> @@@> @@@> 1to#c program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Subject: [program-l] Re: Objective-C coding for iOS on windows 7
>> >
>> > Hi Ian. You may then want to check out PhoneGap.com. You can develop
>> > high quality apps for several mobile platforms, iOS and Android to
>> > name a couple using HTML5, CSS, and JavaScript. If you need, you can
>> > download plug-ins for the devices in which you intend to take
>> > advantage of functionality that isn't part of the PhoneGap API. It
>> > is very accessible and was easy to install and setup on my MAC. It
>> > also has what is known as PhoneGap Build, where from any OS you can
>> > develop and then download binary images from your code for the
>> > hardware you wish to support without the need to install any SDK's.
>> > The documentation is good to read because you can get to know the
>> > PhoneGap API's better. HTH. Louis
>> >
> @@@> @@@> ----- Original Message -----
>> > #abbfcb-dsbbc #abbian 1@3p@>pe <isforums@xxxxxxxx> #abbtocb-dsbbc
> @@@> @@@> <program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
>> > Date: Monday, Oct 1, 2012 01:52:42 AM
>> > Subject: [program-l] Re: Objective-C coding for iOS on windows 7
>> >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > I sent the below in response to a thread regarding IOS UI
>> > > development a while ago now but thought I'd send it again as it
>> > > may be
>> of help.
>> > > Also I'm actually looking at potentially creating an app myself
>> > > now and feel this approach is probably the best way forward at
>> > > this time based on others comments.
>> > >
>> > > I don't have any experience with developing for the iPhone (or any
>> > > other mobile device for that matter) in terms of native code and
>> > > had no idea how poor the situation seems to be in terms of
> accessibility.
>> > > It sounds like some of you have bitten the bullet and found ways
>> > > of addressing the limitations around creating GUIs but this sounds
>> > > horrible. And then there's a $100 fee to just run your own app on
>> > > your own
>> > phone?
>> > >
>> > > I was only just reading an article the other day about a "device
>> browser"
>> > > which an Android developer had developed to provide web developers
>> > > with access to the various devices and sensors on Android phones
>> > > via Javascript the idea being that the web developers, who were
>> > > great at web development but who might have a steep learning curve
>> > > to switch to native apps, could simply develop an app using HTML5
>> > > as the interface but still gain access to the lower level devices
>> > > otherwise not available
>> > through a standard browser.
>> > > I'd be surprised if something similar doesn't exist for the iPhone?
>> > >
>> > > In theory, the app would simply be a specific instance of the
>> > > device browser which pointed at a URL where the actual code
>> > > resided as a web
>> > application.
>> > > So essentially you would write the application in whichever
>> > > server-side programming language you prefer and javascript to
>> > > access low level interfaces to devices not currently available via
>> > > a standard web browser and could create the interface as HTML.
>> > > Personally I think this provides a really nice programming model
>> > > anyway and potentially gives you a degree of flexibility not
>> > > offered through a native app. In particular, you could quickly
>> > > make changes to the server-side web application which would
>> > > automatically be propagated across all apps hosted on whichever
>> > > mobile platform they are
>> on. No upgrade needed.
>> > >
>> > > Obviously this may not fit into everyone's business model but it
>> > > would for me and I would be very interested to know what any of
>> > > the more experience IOS developers think of this approach. In
>> > > particular, whether such an application would get through the app
>> > > stores vetting process? I get the impression that apps have to be
>> > > of a certain quality in terms of GUI to get onto the app store but
>> > > because the app would actually be a web application hosted
>> > > elsewhere, I can see why they may reject the application as the
>> > > interface could change without any further review. Or they may
>> > > just not want to support this kind of deployment as it could
>> > > potentially lead to lower revenues in the long
>> > term.
>> > >
>> > > Anyway, be really interested to hear what others think and / or
>> > > whether such an approach would be allowed onto the app store.
>> > >
>> > > Cheers
>> > > Ian
>> > >
> @@@> @@@> @@@> -----Original Message----- @@@> @@@> @@@> 1f#c
> program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx @@@> @@@>
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>> > > On Behalf Of Barry Jennings
>> > > Sent: 01 October 2012 06:21
> @@@> @@@> @@@> 1to#c program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > > Subject: [program-l] Re: Objective-C coding for iOS on windows 7
>> > >
>> > > Are there tools for creating a user interface with gnustep or is
>> > > this just GCC with the libraries for Objective C? In other words
>> > > do we have an accessible way here to get around the inaccessible
>> > > Interface
>> > Builder?
>> > >
>> > > Barry
>> > >
> @@@> @@@> @@@> -----Original Message----- @@@> @@@> @@@> 1f#c
> jaffar.sidek10@xxxxxxxxx
>> > > Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 9:06 PM
> @@@> @@@> @@@> 1to#c program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > > Subject: [program-l] Re: Objective-C coding for iOS on windows 7
>> > >
>> > > Hi. Also. The latest MinGW compiler which i believe to be 4.7.0
>> > > comes with an objective c compiler, so those interested might like
>> > > to give
>> > it a try.
>> > > And with the IPhone being as popular as it is right now, I am only
>> > > surprised that the mainstream apps like visual studio hasn't yet
>> > > made objective c as part of their programming framework. Cheers!
>> > >
> @@@> @@@> @@@> -----Original Message-----
>> > > From: Louis Bryant
>> > > Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 10:23 AM
> @@@> @@@> @@@> 1to#c program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > > Subject: [program-l] Re: Objective-C coding for iOS on windows 7
>> > >
>> > > How cool! Thanks!
>> > >
> @@@> @@@> @@@> ----- Original Message -----
>> > @@@> #abbfcb-dsbbc <jaffar.sidek10@xxxxxxxxx> @@@> #abbtocb-dsbbc
> @@@> @@@> <program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
>> > > Date: Saturday, Sep 29, 2012 04:23:56 PM
>> > > Subject: [program-l] Re: Objective-C coding for iOS on windows 7
>> > >
>> > > >
>> > > >
>> > > > HI. This is a tutorial/introductory link for GnuStep, a gnu
>> > > > objective c port that is specially used on windows to code for
>> > > > the ios
>> > system.
>> > > > I've tried it and it works,
> @@@> @@@> @@@> @@@> www.gnustep.org/resources/ObjCFun.html
>> > > > enjoy.
> @@@> @@@> @@@> @@@> -----Original Message-----
>> > > > From: Lamar Upshaw
>> > > > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 9:32 PM
> @@@> @@@> @@@> @@@> 1to#c program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > > > Subject: [program-l] Objective-C coding for iOS on windows 7
>> > > >
>> > > > Does anyone know if this is possible? I'm just trying to get
>> > > > pointed in the right direction. I want to create apps for the
>> > > > iOS platform, using the objective-C language, but I only have a
>> > > > windows 7
>> machine.
>> > > > Any suggestions and/or experience with writing iOS apps are very
>> > > > welcome.
>> > > >
>> > > > Lamar
>> > > >
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