[program-l] Re: Objective-C coding for iOS on windows 7
- From: Florian-achtige <florianbeijers@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 2 Oct 2012 03:41:16 -1200
I think rather then calling onto a remote web app, the code generates
the necessary views in a browser object using local data. To my
knowledge phonegap apps are self-contained and only require a network
connection when they require online data.
As for security risks, phoneGap allows you to call on specified API's
using javaScript, just like normal apps. I do think normal apps give
you more API's though.
I have heard of phonegap apps making it through the stringent appStore
guidelines ...you might want to google on that.
2012/10/1, Ian Sharpe <isforums@xxxxxxxx>:
> Hi Travis
>
> Could you please explain why you think this is any more of a security risk
> than any other app? Most apps use online services to feed them with data to
> support whatever the app does but could equally be used to send information
> to the app to perform potentially harmful operations. The APIs exposed to
> apps also seem to be pretty tightly locked down, even to the point that I
> don't think it was possible to access the on-board TTS engine in previous
> versions of IOS - this could still be the case today.
>
> I'm not saying you're wrong by the way, just want to understand why you
> believe this?
>
> Cheres
> Ian
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Travis Roth
> Sent: 02 October 2012 03:05
> To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [program-l] Re: Objective-C coding for iOS on windows 7
>
> Hi Ian,
> For what its worth I've never heard of such a container application for
> iOS.
> It'd sound like a security problem. The clostest was probably flash, and
> Apple doesn't allow flash on its iOS platform. (There is an app, SkyFire,
> which runs Flash remotely and shows the results in iOS, but again, not
> going
> to access the hardware.) (Flash does run on Android, but I do not know the
> security provisions and restrictions. Not to mention accessibility is
> probably an issue.)
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Ian Sharpe
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 5:03 PM
> To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [program-l] Re: Objective-C coding for iOS on windows 7
>
> Thanks for this Louis. I had heard of phone gap and other similar offerings
> which solved the issue of deploying to multiple Oss but had misunderstood
> their implementation. I had thought that you simply develop the app in
> native code, then run it through something like phone gap which generated
> the necessary binaries for whichever platform.
>
> Do you happen to know whether it is possible to host a web app inside a
> browser which provides access to local interfaces such as accelerometers
> etc
> as described previously? Or do you simply develop the app as a stand-alone
> client application using HTML and Javascript? As I said, I don't have any
> experience of deploying to the app store but did hear that apps have to
> conform to some kind of UI standard. I can understand therefore why
> developing an app whose interface is dynamic and dependent on a remote web
> application could be an issue.
>
> Cheers
> Ian
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> On Behalf Of Louis Bryant
> Sent: 01 October 2012 15:08
> To: program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: [program-l] Re: Objective-C coding for iOS on windows 7
>
> Hi Ian. You may then want to check out PhoneGap.com. You can develop high
> quality apps for several mobile platforms, iOS and Android to name a couple
> using HTML5, CSS, and JavaScript. If you need, you can download plug-ins
> for
> the devices in which you intend to take advantage of functionality that
> isn't part of the PhoneGap API. It is very accessible and was easy to
> install and setup on my MAC. It also has what is known as PhoneGap Build,
> where from any OS you can develop and then download binary images from your
> code for the hardware you wish to support without the need to install any
> SDK's. The documentation is good to read because you can get to know the
> PhoneGap API's better. HTH. Louis
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> #a;fcb-ds;c #a;ian 1@3p@>pe <isforums@xxxxxxxx> #a;tocb-ds;c
> <program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
> Date: Monday, Oct 1, 2012 01:52:42 AM
> Subject: [program-l] Re: Objective-C coding for iOS on windows 7
>
>>
>>
>> I sent the below in response to a thread regarding IOS UI development
>> a while ago now but thought I'd send it again as it may be of help.
>> Also I'm actually looking at potentially creating an app myself now
>> and feel this approach is probably the best way forward at this time
>> based on others comments.
>>
>> I don't have any experience with developing for the iPhone (or any
>> other mobile device for that matter) in terms of native code and had
>> no idea how poor the situation seems to be in terms of accessibility.
>> It sounds like some of you have bitten the bullet and found ways of
>> addressing the limitations around creating GUIs but this sounds
>> horrible. And then there's a $100 fee to just run your own app on your
>> own
> phone?
>>
>> I was only just reading an article the other day about a "device browser"
>> which an Android developer had developed to provide web developers
>> with access to the various devices and sensors on Android phones via
>> Javascript - the idea being that the web developers, who were great at
>> web development but who might have a steep learning curve to switch to
>> native apps, could simply develop an app using HTML5 as the interface
>> but still gain access to the lower level devices otherwise not
>> available
> through a standard browser.
>> I'd be surprised if something similar doesn't exist for the iPhone?
>>
>> In theory, the app would simply be a specific instance of the device
>> browser which pointed at a URL where the actual code resided as a web
> application.
>> So essentially you would write the application in whichever
>> server-side programming language you prefer and javascript to access
>> low level interfaces to devices not currently available via a standard
>> web browser and could create the interface as HTML. Personally I think
>> this provides a really nice programming model anyway and potentially
>> gives you a degree of flexibility not offered through a native app. In
>> particular, you could quickly make changes to the server-side web
>> application which would automatically be propagated across all apps
>> hosted on whichever mobile platform they are on. No upgrade needed.
>>
>> Obviously this may not fit into everyone's business model but it would
>> for me and I would be very interested to know what any of the more
>> experience IOS developers think of this approach. In particular,
>> whether such an application would get through the app stores vetting
>> process? I get the impression that apps have to be of a certain
>> quality in terms of GUI to get onto the app store but because the app
>> would actually be a web application hosted elsewhere, I can see why
>> they may reject the application as the interface could change without
>> any further review. Or they may just not want to support this kind of
>> deployment as it could potentially lead to lower revenues in the long
> term.
>>
>> Anyway, be really interested to hear what others think and / or
>> whether such an approach would be allowed onto the app store.
>>
>> Cheers
>> Ian
>>
> @@@> -----Original Message-----
> @@@> 1f#c program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> [mailto:program-l-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
>> On Behalf Of Barry Jennings
>> Sent: 01 October 2012 06:21
> @@@> 1to#c program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [program-l] Re: Objective-C coding for iOS on windows 7
>>
>> Are there tools for creating a user interface with gnustep or is this
>> just GCC with the libraries for Objective C? In other words do we
>> have an accessible way here to get around the inaccessible Interface
> Builder?
>>
>> Barry
>>
> @@@> -----Original Message-----
> @@@> 1f#c jaffar.sidek10@xxxxxxxxx
>> Sent: Sunday, September 30, 2012 9:06 PM
> @@@> 1to#c program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [program-l] Re: Objective-C coding for iOS on windows 7
>>
>> Hi. Also. The latest MinGW compiler which i believe to be 4.7.0
>> comes with an objective c compiler, so those interested might like to
>> give
> it a try.
>> And with the IPhone being as popular as it is right now, I am only
>> surprised that the mainstream apps like visual studio hasn't yet made
>> objective c as part of their programming framework. Cheers!
>>
> @@@> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Louis Bryant
>> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2012 10:23 AM
> @@@> 1to#c program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> Subject: [program-l] Re: Objective-C coding for iOS on windows 7
>>
>> How cool! Thanks!
>>
> @@@> ----- Original Message -----
> @@@> #abbfcb-dsbbc <jaffar.sidek10@xxxxxxxxx> @@@> #abbtocb-dsbbc
> <program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>,
>> Date: Saturday, Sep 29, 2012 04:23:56 PM
>> Subject: [program-l] Re: Objective-C coding for iOS on windows 7
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > HI. This is a tutorial/introductory link for GnuStep, a gnu
>> > objective c port that is specially used on windows to code for the
>> > ios
> system.
>> > I've tried it and it works,
> @@@> @@@> www.gnustep.org/resources/ObjCFun.html
>> > enjoy.
> @@@> @@@> -----Original Message-----
>> > From: Lamar Upshaw
>> > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 9:32 PM
> @@@> @@@> 1to#c program-l@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>> > Subject: [program-l] Objective-C coding for iOS on windows 7
>> >
>> > Does anyone know if this is possible? I'm just trying to get pointed
>> > in the right direction. I want to create apps for the iOS platform,
>> > using the objective-C language, but I only have a windows 7 machine.
>> > Any suggestions and/or experience with writing iOS apps are very
>> > welcome.
>> >
>> > Lamar
>> >
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