Promoting the digital PTC is a stupid idea: it will only cause confusion. Most stations will never use their DTV ptc after transition, and many stations do not TODAY know what their ultimate channel will be (for example, when current and DTV channels are non-core.) Promoting RF channels is a significant investment. Stations are loathe to change callsigns, and avoid changing RF. Advertising confusing channel numbers don't make sense. Besides -- aside from RF issues like antenna choice; RF channels are passe. Virtual (major/minor or one-value) is the future. John Willkie -----Original Message----- From: opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:opendtv-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]On Behalf Of John Shutt Sent: Monday, December 06, 2004 8:02 AM To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [opendtv] Re: Visit at Best Buy I stand corrected on the Samsung T-151. You can enter numbers into the box directly. However, once so added, it only displays the virtual channel number (23-1 in our case), and once entered it doesn't display the physical channel again. However, our Samsung will not allow you to enter a physical channel number into the channel memory if the station is not on the air or otherwise not decodable. So if I know for a fact that there is a Digital Channel 55, but they are not on the air, I cannot program the number for future use. I must wait for the station to come on the air (or turn my antenna towards the station). Only our Videotek professional receiver always displays both the virtual channel number and the physical channel number. So I maintain that for all practical purposes, the physical channel number does not need to be constantly "promoted." to the general public, and even more so now with the FCC PSIP mandate that requires us to identify our digital station by our analog channel number, unless a waiver is granted. Cheers, John Shutt ----- Original Message ----- From: "Doug McDonald" <mcdonald@xxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> > > I own two ... a Samsung T-151 and a Motorola box whose name > I dso not know. > > Both allow manual entry of stations. The Samsung is somewhat > limited, in that if you first enter a station, say physical > 50, that maps to 25, you cannot enter "25" and get a digital > that is physical 25, even if in fact one exists and is useable, > because it just tunes in the digital physical 50 that maps to 25. > This is a bug. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.