Visited Best Buy yesterday, specifically for TV toys. One interesting finding: LG sells combination ATSC STB/DVD player, for $299, and a combination ATSC STB/DVD recorder for $450. I'm assuming these are still 4th gen, though. :( A few points: 1. Last year, DVD recorders for $429 were a good deal. This year, you can get an ATSC tuner in that same price. 2. But that's not so good. Because DVD recorders go for $179 this year. So you're still perhaps paying close to $300 for the ATSC STB. 3. In the store, one would expect ATSC STB/DVD recorder to be on the same shelf as other DVD recorders, right? As in, "DVD recorder with only NTSC tuner," or "DVD recorder with ATSC + NTSC." Instead no. The recorders with ATSC tuner were hidden away with the other (hard to see) ATSC STBs. Is it a wonder no one gets this DTV stuff? If the big stores don't get it, how can the consumers? Bert ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.