Bert, You fail to mention HAAT for the Berlin towers, and until that is known, you can't know where the radio horizon is, nor how much more power is required to reach further. If the Berlin towers are at 150 feet HAAT, the radio horizon is only 17 miles away. Far field reception of COFDM was not a problem in the 1999 Sinclair tests, nor was it a problem in the flawed MSTV tests (successful reception up to 55 miles away.) With identical ERP and HAAT, you would be hard pressed to notice a difference in reception between the two in the far field. Stop reading numbers and start getting some real world experience. If I were to take Jay's brother's experience, it seems that the first and oldest Motorola box he had worked best. His two newer ones didn't work as well, so am I to assume from his experience that later generation ATSC boxes are worse than earlier ones? You can't generalize from a single anecdotal incident. John ----- Original Message ----- From: "Manfredi, Albert E" <albert.e.manfredi@xxxxxxxxxx> > The Berlin coverage contour for Channel 44 was 12 to > 14 miles with indoor antenna, with a two-tower 170 KW > ERP per tower SFN, using 16-QAM and 2/3 FEC > (2.1 b/s/Hz). ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.