DVB-S2 will go as high as 32 APSK. But don't expect to see that in any type of mass market application or CE product. The new Pace HD H.264/mpeg2 HD box, will only do 4 and 8 PSK. Companies like Thomson (sorry ST Microsystems) only sell front-end chips limited to 4/8PSK. My apologies for not trimming the thread below properly... d. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Manfredi, Albert E" <albert.e.manfredi@xxxxxxxxxx> To: "OpenDTV (E-mail)" <opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Monday, February 07, 2005 11:06 PM Subject: [opendtv] Re: France goes DTV Bob Miller wrote: > And you are suggesting the 8-VSB can go lower power? Obviously. If you install as many transmitter sites as they did in Paris et environs, for example, of course. The CRC already played those games in Ottawa. It works. > You do see XM and Sirius using COFDM terrestrially. But you don't see those systems using COFDM for their long range coverage. Just for the local gap fillers. For the long range, they use QPSK. If they move up to higher spectral efficiencies, they talk about 8-PSK or at most I've seen even 16-QAM. Not COFDM. From the perspective of a transmitter wanting to operate as close as possible to saturation, e.g. in a satellite, 16-QAM is no different from 4-VSB. In both cases, you use four amplitude levels, and you achieve the same spectral efficiency. Those are the tradeoffs. Long range unobstructed, single carrier. Short range with obstacles, COFDM or CDMA. Long range with obstacles? It's a gray area. You have an advantage in power if you can make the single carrier system work. Bert ---------------------------------------------------------------------- You can UNSUBSCRIBE from the OpenDTV list in two ways: - Using the UNSUBSCRIBE command in your user configuration settings at FreeLists.org - By sending a message to: opendtv-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject line.