Tivo HD-DVRs (Series3 and HD) can ALSO be purchased outright with lifetime service: https://www3.tivo.com/store/plans.do FYI: Lots of people continue to have problems getting a DVHS to work on their cable system. Hence they frequently appear on eBay at reduced rates. And here is a refurb unit from BHPhoto: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/551828-REG/JVC_REFHMDH5U__Refurbished_HMD_H5U_D_VHS_HDTV.html I would suggest calling them to see when they expect more new stock... And for a lot more, you can buy "turn-key" HTPCs..... BTW: The Hauppauge HD-PVR records HD programs to Blu-Ray disc, with HD Component Video input from either Cable, SAT or OTA Receiver. [Presumably uses DTCP "5C" copy control.] http://www.hauppauge.com/site/products/hd_pvr.html holl_ands =========================================== --- On Thu, 7/17/08, dan.grimes@xxxxxxxx <dan.grimes@xxxxxxxx> wrote: From: dan.grimes@xxxxxxxx <dan.grimes@xxxxxxxx> Subject: [opendtv] ATSC High Def Recorder To: opendtv@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Date: Thursday, July 17, 2008, 9:47 PM Does anyone know if there is a box one can buy with the following features? 1. ATSC tuner.2. Record native HD signals, full quality of the broadcast.3. NO monthly fee or registration.4. Record to Hard Drive for time shifting and replays.5. HDMI output.6. Composite Video output (to be used until I get a monitor with HDMI).7. Be able to record one channel and watch another. The list is in order of importance. I used to use a computer with a MyHD card to record .ts files, but I would like just a plain blackbox that can use a universal remote and doesn't require running all the time. I found a Sony DVR and JVC DVHS that records HD, but it appears both are discontinued. I found lots of DVD and PVR recorders that record SD, but not HD. I see that the TiVO is HD, but works only with a monthly charge. Do the DirectTV boxes require activation (i.e. monthly charge) to work with ATSC? I searched avsforum but getting through the all the posts took up more of my evening than I wanted it to and I still didn't find straight answers. If I, being in the business, can't get to the answers, how is the common consumer to? Dan