Hi Tim Nice to hear from you again, and thanks for the advice. I have plenty of caustic soda crystals - would they be effective in neutralising the acid? Also, short of going out and buying litmus paper, how can I tell when it's neutral? Regards Ron ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim Rickard" <the_viffer@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Tuesday, October 05, 2004 11:51 AM Subject: [modeleng] Re: Pickle > Errm sorry Ron. > > I'm not certain that there is any point in sticking ferrous scrap in > before > adding washing soda. The idea was that you'd swap the soluble copper ions > for iron ions. Then as the pH increases the iron ions (I love that) become > insoluble. However copper ions are also going to be insoluble at highish > pH > so they'll crash out too I expect. I think the main message is if it is > still coloured it is going to have dissolved metal in it and that is not > going to please the water company. How do I know this? Well once upon a > time > someone I know quite well (Lets call him the_viffer) killed most of the > local sewage works flora off by sticking a fair amount of soluble chromium > salts down the sink at the research lab he worked at. > > Don't use ammonia as the neutralising agent tho' as it reacts with the > copper ions to form a pretty but soluble complex ion. > > > MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, > modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject > line. MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.