One possibility would be to add a small gasoline engine and an alternator to the mix if they would fit. I've seen an article about such a model in 5" gauge. Charles ----- Original Message ----- From: "R.L. Roebuck" <rlr20@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 6:44 AM Subject: [modeleng] Re: American Diesel Loco Drawings - F7 for Example > Hi there Cliff, > > I had a play a number of years back, and built myself a 3.5" gauge 0-4-0 > electric loco, to a narrow gauge outline with a friend. > > After a bit of playing aound, I shoe horned a sinclair C5 motor into it, > buy trimming everything down, including the rotor shaft at both ends. > > The battery for it went in the driving trolley, the rear of which was > built to resemble a box van. > > In order to aid traction, we mounted a steel block under the loco, which > measured something like 4*3*2". > > I still remember when we went to test out the chassis for the first time. > Most people figured that because of its small size, we'd need to "lean on > it a bit to get it get some grip" and the best prognosis was that it would > only pull its driver. > > A few laps later when it pulled out of the station with three passenger > trollies and approx half a tonne behind it (without anyone having to "lean > on it a bit") the critics were silenced. > > Before I moved away from Norwich, it ran for few years on the majority of > running days in the year at the Easton Park track (public running every > Sunday May to September) for about 90 minutes each time, until its battery > went flat. > > Having said all of that - your comments do make sense, its just that I'm > keen to stick to 3.5" gauge. > > > Yours, > > > Rich. > > On Wed, 27 Oct 2004, Clif Walker wrote: > >> Hi Rich andAll, >> >> I think that the snag with 3.5"gauge electric locos is getting worthwhile >> battery power into them.It may just work with an American outline but is >> impossible with English.Then if you cannot get the batteries in you have >> a >> problem with getting sufficient weight for traction purposes. >> The problem also comes up of physically getting in adequate size motors >> because unfortunately the amount of power required is dictated by the >> size >> of human beings which cannot be scaled down. >> As 3.5" frames are too narrow to get the motors in between them they have >> to >> be mounted on top of the bogies,which then eats into the space where you >> want to put the batteries. >> It will require a lot of scheming out but I think that you may have to >> bite >> the bullet and go for a 5" gauge F7. >> Now that would be some loco. >> >> Regards >> >> Clif >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "R.L. Roebuck" <rlr20@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> To: <modeleng@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> >> Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 5:56 PM >> Subject: [modeleng] American Diesel Loco Drawings - F7 for Example >> >> >> > Hi there All, >> > >> > I'm currently toying with the idea of building a 3.5" gauge electric >> > loco, >> > with an American Diesel loco outline. >> > >> > Not knowing anything much about the loco's that you guys have over >> > there in the USA have, I perused through the various web pages, and the >> > F7 >> > looks like the kind of thing I'm after... >> > >> > >> http://images.google.co.uk/images?q=F7%20diesel&hl=en&lr=&safe=off&sa=N&tab= >> wi >> > >> > The only thing is, I can't seem to find any drawings of it (or anything >> > like it on the web). >> > >> > Can anyone suggest where I could find some drawings, either online, or >> > in >> > books, etc? >> > >> > Any suggestions gratefully received. >> > >> > Yours, >> > >> > >> > Rich. >> > >> > MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. >> > >> > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, >> > modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the >> > subject >> line. >> >> MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. >> >> To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, >> modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject >> line. >> >> > > MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. > > To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, > modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject > line. MODEL ENGINEERING DISCUSSION LIST. To UNSUBSCRIBE from this list, send a blank email to, modeleng-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word "unsubscribe" in the subject line.