'palma' wrote: "ice which is water can be perfectly dry, so cut it out, unless yu really think that water is not ice" I think water is not ice. Growing up, we quickly learned that knowing the difference between water and ice was quite important for deciding whether we could or could not play pond hockey. Sincerely, Phil Enns Yogyakarta, Indonesia ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html