'palma' wrote: "the english word, I would surmise, has nothing to tell us about water composition" This is a straw man since what is at issue is not the composition of water but the meaning of the English words 'water' and 'ice'. The meaning of the English word 'water' cannot be reduced to the molecular composition of water. The molecular composition of water and ice may be identical, but the meaning of the English words 'water' and 'ice' are not. One does not skate on water, but ice. One may prefer water rather than ice in one's scotch. A waiter that brings a glass of solid ice in response to an order for water, has made a mistake. Water is not ice. Sincerely, Phil Enns ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html