Why not get more specific John? Are you suggesting that those who oppose Bush's war against the Islamists are more patriotic than those who want to fight it? Are you denying that we have a brutal violent, ruthless enemy who needs to be stopped? Are you denying that our government needs to protect its citizens by fighting against this enemy? Are you calling the desire to protect our citizens and defeat our enemies "cheap chauvinism"? You are much too vague. Out with it. Lawrence -----Original Message----- From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of John McCreery Sent: Friday, April 07, 2006 10:35 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: The torture graph Besides, it is utterly disgusting to be accused of anti-Americanism by advocates of the barbarities our fathers and grandfathers fought against in two World Wars. If anything is anti-American it is cheap chauvinism grounded in anger and fear, the kind that fueled that barbarism. John -- John McCreery The Word Works, Ltd. 55-13-202 Miyagaya, Nishi-ku Yokohama 220-0006, JAPAN ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html