[lit-ideas] Re: The Strident Voice of Defeat
- From: "Mike Geary" <atlas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 13 Jan 2007 00:26:04 -0600
LH:
There really is an ideology variously called Islamism, Islamic
Fundamentalism and a few other things. It really was firmed up by Sayyid
Qutb and it has swept the Middle East.<<
I agree with you, Lawrence. Copy that sentence and frame it! And, of
course, you recognize that people have the same right to believe in Islamism
as in Christian Evangelism and in Islamic Fudamentalism as in Christian
Fundamentalism. Belief is no crime. Only acts are crimes. Only those who
commit crimes are our enemy, not those who cheer on the criminals (I cheer
on bank robbers), or wish they were themselves criminals, only the people
who commit crimes are criminals. It makes the world more complicated, I
agree. But it separates us from the barbarism of people like Saddam Hussein
who would kill not just those who tried to assassinate him, but all his
family as well.
Mike Geary
Memphis
----- Original Message -----
From: Lawrence Helm
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Saturday, January 13, 2007 12:00 AM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: The Strident Voice of Defeat
You are doing it again, Irene. People attacked us and it somehow in your
Leftist mind becomes our fault. It is such an automatic reaction that you
probably don't even realize you are doing it. It is America's fault, Helm's
fault - "Oh come on Lawrence."
. You want to get upset because Bush didn't come up with a better term in
the beginning? I already conceded that. Let's move on.
You say "the fact is" and then you provide one reason for the invasion of
Iraq. That's a rather naïve approach to decisions about this, don't you
think? There were a number of reasons for this invasion. Read some of the
many reasons in the Clinton appointee's Kenneth Pollack's The Threatening
Storm.
Lawrence
From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Andy Amago
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:37 PM
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: The Strident Voice of Defeat
Oh, come on Lawrence. The whole thing is word game. We went from War on
Terror to the Long War. At the same thing we didn't and still don't know a
Sunni from Shia in almost all of Washington. Please, it's all bellicose
nonsense. The fact is, we beat up Iraq to teach somebody else a lesson.
One would think that first one plays catch up, then one goes to war. We
did in reverse. If it weren't so tragic, it would be downright funny.
-----Original Message-----
From: Lawrence Helm
Sent: Jan 13, 2007 12:21 AM
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: The Strident Voice of Defeat
If you want to play word games and blame the lack of a definitive coherent
Militant Islamic definition on us, that may make you feel good, but it won't
get you very close to understanding. We didn't make the Middle East up. It
is what it is. We are just playing catch up trying to understand it - some
of us and deal with that part of it that comprises a threat.
Lawrence
From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
On Behalf Of Andy Amago
Sent: Friday, January 12, 2007 9:05 PM
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: The Strident Voice of Defeat
We took out Iraq to teach the 9/11'ers a lesson. That's pretty rogue.
Well, maybe botched rogue, a subcategory of rogue. See, if we didn't botch
the job it wouldn't matter that Saddam had no WMD and no ties to al Qaeda.
But, we did botch the job. Now Iran is a rogue nation. Is that better or
worse than being a botched rogue nation?
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