Fair enough. I wonder though, if someone in an experience is the best judge of that experience. Sometimes an outsider's view is the more accurate one. My guess is that on Facebook there is no irritation, no dissenting view, nothing to get in the way of the fun. A lot of people doing something doesn't necessarily redeem it; the Nazi party, the tulip bubble among a litany of mass hysterias. In a meaningless universe, maybe fun is the ultimate answer. However, I think we need to define fun. If the choice is an endless walk through an amusement park as opposed to some intellectual hedonism, I will pontificate for the latter. Andy ________________________________ From: John McCreery <john.mccreery@xxxxxxxxx> To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, October 25, 2011 8:45 AM Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: The Medium is the Message There you go again, Andy, pontificating about something you know, at best, second hand. And in this case, the fault is particularly egregious, since trying out Facebook for a week or two to see how people actually use it is free. All it costs is a little time. Why, pray tell, do you think that anyone should pay the slightest attention to what you say? Except, of course, for the irritation felt on encountering mindless babble? Grumpy in Yokohama, John On Tue, Oct 25, 2011 at 9:31 PM, Andy <mimi.erva@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: I understand that Facebook seems to be absorbing a lot of conversational energy. Just some thoughts, but first a disclaimer. I don't have a Facebook account, have never had one, and don't participate as a 'friend' on any other Facebook account, including those of relatives. For what it's worth, my understanding of Facebook is that it's all about posting pictures of how much fun you're having. It's not about having fun, it's about proving you're having fun, especially for the younger crowd. Based on my vicarious understanding, I can't imagine having an intelligent conversation on Facebook. Certainly I couldn't have one with my relatives (and that's with two nephews in med school), or for that matter with most of my flesh and blood friends. Lit ideas people who have Facebook accounts are certainly excepted, but generally Facebook to me is a pure pomo experience, reality as if. Worse, it's a reflection of the general dumbing down of everything, a great big huge Twitter with pictures. 'Reality as if' requires no depth of understanding, which would make Facebook and Twitter the media for the times. A vicarious understanding, yes, but I think unfortunately accurate. > Andy -- John McCreery The Word Works, Ltd., Yokohama, JAPAN Tel. +81-45-314-9324 jlm@xxxxxxxxxxxx http://www.wordworks.jp/