[lit-ideas] Re: The Medium is the Message
- From: "Walter C. Okshevsky" <wokshevs@xxxxxx>
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx, Mike Geary <jejunejesuit.geary2@xxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sat, 29 Oct 2011 15:04:02 -0230
Mike et al, Please see specific replies below.
Quoting Mike Geary <jejunejesuit.geary2@xxxxxxxxx>:
> "A 'much more philosophical one?? '"
>
> Compared to Facebook, decidedly yes. And, yes, compared even to the old
> Phil-Lit, which was often turned into a political forum. Politics gets
> people's heart racing far more so than philosophy. Today's lack-luster
> Lit-Id seems to me much more philosophical. Of course, I might have lower
> philosophical standands than you.
WO:
I don't think our disagreement is a matter of standards. It's one regarding
criteria. We disagree on what makes a discussion, problem, or issue a
"philosophical" one. This is a conceptual disagreement regarding criteria.
Questions regarding standards only arise after the matter of criteria has been
settled. I apply the same criteria of assessment to my undergrad students'
papers as I do in my reviews of submissions to academic journals. But the
standards at which I apply those same criteria differ.
>
> "'Plato played by Walter O"?? Are we on the same planet?"
>
> I'm not a philosopher as you, no doubt, have guessed.
WO:
Well you keep saying that but you typically wade in on the philosophical claims
and problems that are presented in our cafe. You have little training in the
discipline but you remain " a philosopher" in the sense that you find yourself
compelled to reply to the things being said by others on philosophical matters.
But I associate
> "transcendental" as the position that there is such a thing as "truth"
> and that it is independent of our experiences or ideas, but is "eventually"
> accessible through logical reasoning.
WO:
Truth cannot be independent of our ideas or experiences. Reality, in itself, is
so independent. Instead of thinking of truth as that to which our statements
correspond, think of truth as what our statements express when they do
correspond to reality.
>
> My understanding of transcendental may well be faulty, my belief that Plato
> was primarily a transcendentalist could very well be in error, my
> understanding of your philosophical comments might be amiss. But it has
> seemed to me that "essentially" (according to my notions of Plato) that you
> fit more into his camp, than say Aristotle's, who, I take, to be more
> defaulting our existence to reason because, well what the hell else have we
> got going for us? But even the strictest reasoning is, I believe, a game.
WO:
Well yes, if you're going to compare me with Aristotle for god's sake, I'll turn
out to be an arch Platonist. Aristotle's ethics is communitarian and empiricist,
so if I had to sleep with one of them, I'd go with Plato of course. But while
that is true, accuracy is lost. Plato was a metaphysical realist, I a humble
transcendental constructivist.
>
> Didn't mean to offend.
WO:
None taken.
> Mike Geary
> Rortysing in Memphis
Walter Okshevsky,
Kanting away in the Maritimes
>
>
>
> Fri, Oct 28, 2011 at 12:42 AM, Walter C. Okshevsky <wokshevs@xxxxxx> wrote:
>
> > A "much more philosophical one"?? Are we on the same list?
> >
> > "Plato played by Walter O"?? Are we on the same planet?
> >
> > Unlike Phil, I am not happy with my designated role and I demand
> > satisfaction!
> >
> > Walter O
> > Department of Transcendental Philosophy and Educational Science
> > Universitaet Koenigsburg
> > Fredericton, New Brunswick
> > Canada
> >
> >
> > Quoting Phil Enns <phil.enns@xxxxxxxxx>:
> >
> > > Mike Geary wrote:
> > >
> > > "The split in the congregation way back when led to the demise of
> > > Phil-Lit and the rise of Lit-Id. It is no longer a primarily
> > > political band stand, but a much more philosophical one. We have
> > > Plato played by Walter O., Aristitole played by Robert P. Popper
> > > played by Donal Mc., Kierkegaard (?) played by Phil E., ..."
> > >
> > >
> > > I don't know how the others feel about their assigned roles, but I am
> > > quite happy with mine.
> > >
> > >
> > > Sincerely,
> > >
> > > Phil Enns
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