Walter O. wrote: "'Plato played by Walter O'?? Are we on the same planet?" "Unlike Phil, I am not happy with my designated role and I demand satisfaction!" Yeah, I saw that coming. But, Walter, I would have thought you would be somewhat sympathetic to Plato's argument about the well-ordered soul, with reason governing the passions and the will. And I will bet that you have a grudging respect for Trudeau, our former Canadian prime minister who tried to be the philosopher king. Which brings to mind a conversation I was part of a few days ago. The conversation began with a flippant remark about how free will is possible if there is a God, but quickly moved to a discussion of the degree to which we know ourselves. My contribution, borrowed shamelessly from Nietzsche, was that free will does not refer to a capacity or ability, but rather to moral judgment. We attribute free will to people as part of holding them responsible for their actions, and to those who we don't hold responsible, we consider them to either not have a fully developed will, for example children, or have a will that is not free, for example the insane. While this may sound like a capacity, I argued that it wasn't in part because we don't attribute free will without reference to a larger context. What may appear to be a choice made of a free will may turn out to have been made under unseen duress or coercion. Ultimately, we can only attribute free will after the fact and only after considering the context. But if I cannot be certain whether another person has made their choice according to a free will, without reference to a larger context, what makes me certain that I understand the choices I am making as I am making them? Don't most people look back on the choices they made and see them as part of larger events which were rarely clearly understood at the time? When we were teenagers, the decisions we made seemed to be such a struggle for authenticity and yet when I look back, I just think I was a typical teenager. I never thought of myself as acting like a teenager while I was acting like one. It seems, then, that we only understand ourselves and others, after the fact. But then doesn't this lead to the possibility that I am not the best judge of who I am? Maybe, if I want to truly understand myself, I should not sit down in front of a fireplace and meditate on the question, 'Who am I?', but rather go around and ask the people with whom I interact. Which leads me back to Mike's original comments. What interests me is not whether Mike is right about associating me with Kierkegaard, or Walter with Plato, but the fact that Mike made those connections. Now we may disagree, but what would be the nature of that disagreement? Sincerely, Phil Enns ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html