[lit-ideas] Re: Schadenfreude
- From: Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx
- To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Tue, 24 Feb 2009 19:52:20 EST
Yost:
>>>no one wrote in opposition to the motion.
Bruce:
>>Give me a chance to catch my breath!
Julie Krueger:
>Chris -- does this mean you do have some opposition? ...
>it would at least be enlightening to know what the beef is.
Well, as Geary says, a beef is a beef is a beef:
"The truth is, I'm not about to sacrifice membership on this list
for very long, not just to support a friend and/or a moral principle."
... What if I find I'm really a Republican?"
Talking of which -- where's Lawrence Helm. I missed him, too!
C. B.:
>Come to think of it, it wasn't a 'them' (i.e.,
>'slumbers')
Indeed: "aus dem dogmatischen Schlummer geweckt" (I must have been having
the "golden slumbers" nursery in my head).
>Schadenfreude; ugly thing, never could
>stand the look - or feel - of it) somewhere FAR AWAY.
So do we have a cognate in English for 'schaden': scathe, and one for
'freude': Sigmund. The OED does not dwell much on Germanic etymology. The
first
cite they give for 'schadenfreude' is by this Trench. There are only two hits
in the OED for 'freude': the schadenfreude one and a few under 'strength
through joy [freude]' (1935) with cites like:
1973 ‘G. BLACK’ Bitter Tea, p. 156
"The girl looked as if she had graduated from one of Lee Kuan Yew's
strength-through-joy courses."
The one for 'scathe' (and cfr. 'canker sore') is a nice one, the first one:
For if thou scathest any man you scathest first thyself.
ORMIN, 1200, 4568.
Good to know your garden is blooming.
Cheers,
JL
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