I can't believe anyone here treats that junk seriously, but then I shouldn't be surprised. I read The Hidden Hand, Middle East Fears of Conspiracy by Danlel Pipes. You can't explain them all away, even when they are as self-contradictory as Simon's. I guess I'm surprised that anyone would want to. What do you do when you encounter a mad idea? I live in Southern California and have encountered them all my life. We've had people timing their suicides to the arrival of a comet. Some have gone off to kill themselves in South America. Others have gone to Giant Rock to commune with aliens. Mort Sahl went bonkers over the death of JFK at the Hungry Eye. I've known otherwise normal people who believed in this sort of thing. You don't defend yourself against it. You ignore it - if you can, and usually you can. As to the Leftist & Islamist Conspiracy about Bush, I ignore those as well. I have been an admirer of William of Ockham. If there are two ways to explain something, you take the simplest. The simplest is that we really were attacked and a President, ill-equipped to mount a military response, mounted one. He came from Texas as a "uniter not a divider." He wanted to do for the U.S. what he did for Texas, improve its schools, leave no child behind, and balance its budget. He thought he could do that. Fighting a war was the farthest thing from his mind. History, as I have written on more than one occasion, shows all of our presidents, despite the calumny heaped upon them, to be pretty much what they seemed to be. Lots of them made mistakes and some of them were pretty dumb ones, but they never turned out to be the evil people their enemies said they were, and there were always enemies saying those sorts of things. But as to enemies, this may be the first time Americans (which neither you nor Simon are but your views are shared by some Americans) credited the propaganda of our enemies. Think of what the Japanese said about Roosevelt during World War II . . . oh yeah, I forgot, our reporters never published that junk. Lawrence _____ From: lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:lit-ideas-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Paul Stone Sent: Friday, May 05, 2006 1:20 PM To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Is it any wonder... At 04:06 PM 5/5/2006, you wrote: Simon, I assumed Paul had his tongue in his cheek. No Lawrence... my tongue wasn't in my cheek. I find the inconsistencies and outright coverups (of what, we don't really know and I try daily to convince myself that "there's no way they would actually DO that") pretty troubling. Where answers to very necessary questions should be, there is just a void. There's not even an attempt to answer except to say "yeah, those conspiracy theorists are really something." Do you know what the NUMBER ONE response to a spouse who accuses the other of cheating? "How DARE You Suggest such a thing". A good defence is a strong offence. But instead of actually answering any questions, the "conspiracy nuts' " questions are just written off as ridiculous. There are dozens of happenings on 9/11 that would need the craziness of Arlen Specter's 'magic bullet' theory to even begin to dismiss -- at least that's what the missing evidence would suggest. My only question is... if the government has exculpatory evidence, then why don't they show it? There are only two answers that are viable: 1) the evidence implicates them or 2) the evidence does NOT show them to be completely innocent. Why else WOULDN'T they want it out there? paul ########## Paul Stone pas@xxxxxxxx Kingsville, ON, Canada