[lit-ideas] Re: Heidegger: the greatest living philosopher
- From: Donal McEvoy <donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 06:38:38 +0100 (BST)
Who fathered children.
(Btw wasn't it Omar who complained some time ago about people posting without
giving their name or adequate initials - how times change.)
On Monday, 31 March 2014, 22:44, Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
As did Oscar Wilde.
On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:55 AM, palma <palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
elton heidegger had a wife, sO?
On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Donal McEvoy <donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>that is false - wittgenstein did have a girlfriend (M. Respinger.)>
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>Elton John had a wife.
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>Man of the world
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>On Monday, 31 March 2014, 8:15, palma <palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>that is false - wittgenstein did have a girlfriend (M. Respinger.) She died a
>few years ago
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>On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 5:39 PM, Donal McEvoy <donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx>
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>>>it is also of great interest that Wittgenstein watched carmen miranda and
>>>Parmenides liked more than anything else spike jonze>
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>>It is thought that W not only watched Carmen but he, aye-aye-aye-aye-aye,
>>liked her very much.
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>>Dnl
>>Biographer to the stars
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>>Ldn
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>>On Sunday, 30 March 2014, 10:27, palma <palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>>you do not understand, grice is right, explanations are for idiots who are
>>not griced
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>>On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 3:47 AM, Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>>Now I suspect that, since Grice did not provide an explanation, we will get a
>>lot of talk about implicatures, disimplicatures, and what not.
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>>>On , Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>>>Well, I got it Grice said this and ? Did Grice explain it in some way ?
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>>>On Sunday, March 30, 2014 3:27 AM, "Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx" <Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx>
>>>wrote:
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>>>Grice thought or said that Heidegger was the greatest living philosopher.
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>>>Heidegger dedicates a few passages of his views on language to the 'turns
>>>of conversation' that should have appealed Grice. Or not.
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>>>O. T. O. H., there's this essay by Marrone, at
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>>>http://www.academia.edu/2041564/Losing_the_Forest_for_the_Trees_The_Paralell
>>>_Aims_of_Heidegger_and_Ordinary_Language_Philosophy
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>>>Losing the Forest for The Trees:
>>>The Parallel Aims of Heidegger and Ordinary Language Philosophy
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>>>Marrone writes:
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>>>"In a world where the wounds of two world wars lay fresh and unhealed,
>>>philosophy, like nearly every aspect of life in the Western world at the
>>>midway
>>>point of the 20th century, took aninteresting and transformative turn."
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>>>"With J.L Austin, G.E. Moore, Gilbert Ryle, [H. P. Grice] and the like, a
>>>decisive shift occurred in the treatment of philosophical questions towards
>>>what we know as ordinary language philosophy (OLP)."
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>>>-- which for Grice was encapsulated in the idea of 'implicature' ("that
>>>Witters ignored blatantly.")
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>>>Marrone goes on:
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>>>"Though they are many and varied in their particular view-points and areas
>>>of study, the distinctive mark of an ordinary language philosopher is a
>>>fundamental trust and confidence in ordinary language as a guiding torch
>>>towards solving the problems of philosophy."
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>>>"This tradition of philosophy in light of ordinary language is born
>>>primarily out of, and as a response to the traditional speculative
>>>metaphysical
>>>philosophy of the previous generations" -- notably Heidegger.
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>>>Marrone concludes his interesting essay:
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>>>"For both Ordinary Language Philosophy"
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>>>of the type Grice practised
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>>>"and Heidegger, there is something restricting the analysis of
>>>philosophers in the past."
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>>>"In the case of Ordinary Language Philosophy, the story reads that
>>>philosophers are mislead by their use of ambiguous language to believe in
>>>fictional entities, empty metaphysical phrases, and confusing terminology."
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>>>"This deluding inevitably leads to an inability to see the motivating
>>>problems behind philosophical issues, leaving incomplete answers and surface
>>>
>>>level entirely misguided systems of philosophical though."
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>>>"For Heidegger, philosopher's are in the grip of the misleading apparatus
>>>of Descartes' representationalist view of the world."
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>>>"Thus, our answer to the sceptic is that both Ordinary language
>>>philosophers"
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>>>like Grice
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>>>"and Heidegger concede that every philosopher aims at getting to the heart
>>>of their philosophy inquiry, it is just that there are structural road
>>>blocks that prevent them from doing so."
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>>>"On the one hand, ordinary language philosophy points to the imprecise
>>>meaning of words, and on the other, Heidegger points to the misguided
>>>influence
>>>of Descartes's legacy."
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>>>Or not.
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>>>Heidegger was born in rural Messkirch, Germany.
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>>>On the other hand, Herbert Paul Grice was born in the affluent part of
>>>'Birmingham' -- when it was part of Warwickshire and Staffordshire.
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>>>Raised a Roman Catholic, Martin Heidegger was the son of the sexton of the
>>>village church, Friedrich Heidegger, and his wife Johanna, née Kempf.
>>>
>>>On the other hand, raised an Anglican, Herbert Paul Grice was the son of
>>>the non-conformist cello player Herbert Grice ('a dreadful businessman, but
>>>a
>>>fine musician') and his wife Mabel Fenton, who ran the family business as
>>>she performed as head mistress of the main academy ('prep') in that
>>>affluent suburb of 'Brum'.
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>>>In their faith, Heidegger's parents adhered to the First Vatican Council
>>>of 1870, which was observed mainly by the poorer class of Messkirch.
>>>
>>>In her faith, Grice's mother, on the other hand, who was a High Anglican,
>>>adhered to the 39 Articles, which were observed mainly by the upper class of
>>>Birmingham.
>>>
>>>The religious controversy between the wealthy Altkatholiken and the working
>>>class led to the temporary use of a converted barn for the Roman Catholics
>>>At the festive reunion of the congregation in 1895, the Old Catholic
>>>sexton handed the key to six-year-old Martin.
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>>>On the other hand, Grice witnessed almost every night the fights of a
>>>theological nature between his nonconformist father, his High Anglican
>>>mother,
>>>and a resident aunt, who, granted, was a Catholic (like Heidegger).
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>>>Heidegger's family could not afford to send him to university.
>>>
>>>Similarly, Grice's family could not afford him to send him to a good
>>>prestigious prep. But since his mother was running one, he joined his
>>>mother's
>>>school -- along with his brother Derek. They ended up being Mrs. Grice's
>>>favourite students (and sons).
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>>>Heidegger entered a Jesuit seminary, though he was turned away within
>>>weeks because of the health requirement and what the director and doctor of
>>>the
>>>seminary described as a psychosomatic heart condition.
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>>>On the other hand, after prep, Grice's parents made an effort and he was
>>>sent to Clifton, in Somerset -- "possibly England's best public school", in
>>>the words of a few Old Cliftonians.
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>>>Heidegger later left Catholicism, describing it as incompatible with his
>>>philosophy.
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>>>On the other hand, Grice keeps referring to the 39 Articles for the rest of
>>>his life. He mentions them in "Studies in the Way of Words" when analysing
>>>the word 'commit'. I can commit myself to the 39 Articles without having
>>>an idea what they mean or read.
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>>>After studying theology at the University of Freiburg from 1909 to 1911,
>>>Heidegger switched to philosophy, in part again because of his heart
>>>condition.
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>>>On the other hand, after studying Greek (or classics -- 'except that I
>>>couldn't care less for Latin'), Grice switched to philosophy, which was
>>>however
>>>still taught under the general rubric of Lit. Hum. in Oxford.
>>>
>>>Heidegger completed his doctoral thesis on psychologism in 1914 influenced
>>>by Neo-Thomism and Neo-Kantianism, and in 1916 finished his venia legendi
>>>with a thesis on Duns Scotus influenced by Heinrich Rickert and Edmund
>>>Husserl.
>>>
>>>On the other hand, Oxford scholars were NEVER required to attain a
>>>doctorate ('we don't want to look overqualified). So Grice just obtained a
>>>BA and
>>>MA from Oxford as student at Corpus. He later obtained a scholarship at
>>>Merton and was appointed fellow of St. John's not long after.
>>>
>>>"St. John's" being the best Oxford college, in the words of some scholars
>>>who have St. John's as their alma mater.
>>>
>>>
>>>In the two years following, Heidegger worked first as an unsalaried
>>>Privatdozent, then served as a soldier during the final year of the Great
>>>War,
>>>working behind a desk and never leaving Germany.
>>>
>>>On the other hand, Grice joined the Navy during the 'Second World War' --
>>>and was soon transferred to Admiralty. He retired as Captain, and was
>>>involved briefly in action in the North Atlantic theatre of operations, as
>>>it was
>>>called -- against the Germans!
>>>
>>>If Heidegger worked as a privatedozent, Grice was for a year classics
>>>teacher at Rossall, in Lancashire -- but hated it!
>>>
>>>After the Greaet War, Heidegger served as a salaried senior assistant to
>>>Edmund Husserl at the University of Freiburg in the Black Forest from 1919
>>>until 1923.
>>>
>>>O. T. O. H., once Grice became a Fellow of the richest college in Oxford,
>>>St. John's, he could dedicate to implicature, cricket, bridge, chess, and
>>>music (he played the piano). He was also chair of the Oxford film club (his
>>>favourite actress was Norma Shearer).
>>>
>>>In 1923, Heidegger was elected to an extraordinary Professorship in
>>>Philosophy at the University of Marburg.
>>>
>>>In 1967, Grice was elected Professor of Philosophy at UC/Berkeley. On that
>>>same day, he said:
>>>
>>>"Heidegger is the greatest living philosopher".
>>>
>>>And he _knew_!
>>>
>>>Cheers,
>>>
>>>Speranza
>>>
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