[lit-ideas] Re: Heidegger: the greatest living philosopher
- From: palma <palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2014 10:37:36 +0200
On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:31 AM, palma <palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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> On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 11:44 PM, Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
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>> As did Oscar Wilde.
>> On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:55 AM, palma <palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx>
>> wrote:
>> elton heidegger had a wife, sO?
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>> On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Donal McEvoy
>> <donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote:
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>> >that is false - wittgenstein did have a girlfriend (M. Respinger.)>
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>> Elton John had a wife.
>>
>> Dnl
>> Man of the world
>> England
>> On Monday, 31 March 2014, 8:15, palma <palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> that is false - wittgenstein did have a girlfriend (M. Respinger.)
>> She died a few years ago
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>> On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 5:39 PM, Donal McEvoy <donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx
>> > wrote:
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>> >it is also of great interest that Wittgenstein watched carmen miranda
>> and Parmenides liked more than anything else spike jonze>
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>> It is thought that W not only watched Carmen but he,
>> aye-aye-aye-aye-aye, liked her very much.
>>
>> Dnl
>> Biographer to the stars
>> Ldn
>> On Sunday, 30 March 2014, 10:27, palma <palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> you do not understand, grice is right, explanations are for idiots who
>> are not griced
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>> On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 3:47 AM, Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>wrote:
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>> Now I suspect that, since Grice did not provide an explanation, we
>> will get a lot of talk about implicatures, disimplicatures, and what not.
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>> On , Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Well, I got it Grice said this and ? Did Grice explain it in some way
>> ?
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>> On Sunday, March 30, 2014 3:27 AM, "Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx" <
>> Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>> Grice thought or said that Heidegger was the greatest living
>> philosopher.
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>> Heidegger dedicates a few passages of his views on language to the
>> 'turns
>> of conversation' that should have appealed Grice. Or not.
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>> O. T. O. H., there's this essay by Marrone, at
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>> http://www.academia.edu/2041564/Losing_the_Forest_for_the_Trees_The_Paralell
>> _Aims_of_Heidegger_and_Ordinary_Language_Philosophy
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>> Losing the Forest for The Trees:
>> The Parallel Aims of Heidegger and Ordinary Language Philosophy
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>> Marrone writes:
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>> "In a world where the wounds of two world wars lay fresh and unhealed,
>> philosophy, like nearly every aspect of life in the Western world at the
>> midway
>> point of the 20th century, took aninteresting and transformative turn."
>>
>> "With J.L Austin, G.E. Moore, Gilbert Ryle, [H. P. Grice] and the like,
>> a
>> decisive shift occurred in the treatment of philosophical questions
>> towards
>> what we know as ordinary language philosophy (OLP)."
>>
>> -- which for Grice was encapsulated in the idea of 'implicature' ("that
>> Witters ignored blatantly.")
>>
>> Marrone goes on:
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>> "Though they are many and varied in their particular view-points and
>> areas
>> of study, the distinctive mark of an ordinary language philosopher is a
>> fundamental trust and confidence in ordinary language as a guiding torch
>> towards solving the problems of philosophy."
>>
>> "This tradition of philosophy in light of ordinary language is born
>> primarily out of, and as a response to the traditional speculative
>> metaphysical
>> philosophy of the previous generations" -- notably Heidegger.
>>
>> Marrone concludes his interesting essay:
>>
>> "For both Ordinary Language Philosophy"
>>
>> of the type Grice practised
>>
>> "and Heidegger, there is something restricting the analysis of
>> philosophers in the past."
>>
>> "In the case of Ordinary Language Philosophy, the story reads that
>> philosophers are mislead by their use of ambiguous language to believe
>> in
>> fictional entities, empty metaphysical phrases, and confusing
>> terminology."
>>
>> "This deluding inevitably leads to an inability to see the motivating
>> problems behind philosophical issues, leaving incomplete answers and
>> surface
>> level entirely misguided systems of philosophical though."
>>
>> "For Heidegger, philosopher's are in the grip of the misleading
>> apparatus
>> of Descartes' representationalist view of the world."
>>
>> "Thus, our answer to the sceptic is that both Ordinary language
>> philosophers"
>>
>> like Grice
>>
>> "and Heidegger concede that every philosopher aims at getting to the
>> heart
>> of their philosophy inquiry, it is just that there are structural road
>> blocks that prevent them from doing so."
>>
>> "On the one hand, ordinary language philosophy points to the imprecise
>> meaning of words, and on the other, Heidegger points to the misguided
>> influence
>> of Descartes's legacy."
>>
>> Or not.
>>
>> Heidegger was born in rural Messkirch, Germany.
>>
>> On the other hand, Herbert Paul Grice was born in the affluent part of
>> 'Birmingham' -- when it was part of Warwickshire and Staffordshire.
>>
>> Raised a Roman Catholic, Martin Heidegger was the son of the sexton of
>> the
>> village church, Friedrich Heidegger, and his wife Johanna, née Kempf.
>>
>> On the other hand, raised an Anglican, Herbert Paul Grice was the son of
>> the non-conformist cello player Herbert Grice ('a dreadful businessman,
>> but a
>> fine musician') and his wife Mabel Fenton, who ran the family business as
>> she performed as head mistress of the main academy ('prep') in that
>> affluent suburb of 'Brum'.
>>
>> In their faith, Heidegger's parents adhered to the First Vatican Council
>> of 1870, which was observed mainly by the poorer class of Messkirch.
>>
>> In her faith, Grice's mother, on the other hand, who was a High
>> Anglican,
>> adhered to the 39 Articles, which were observed mainly by the upper class
>> of
>> Birmingham.
>>
>> The religious controversy between the wealthy Altkatholiken and the
>> working
>> class led to the temporary use of a converted barn for the Roman
>> Catholics
>> At the festive reunion of the congregation in 1895, the Old Catholic
>> sexton handed the key to six-year-old Martin.
>>
>> On the other hand, Grice witnessed almost every night the fights of a
>> theological nature between his nonconformist father, his High Anglican
>> mother,
>> and a resident aunt, who, granted, was a Catholic (like Heidegger).
>>
>> Heidegger's family could not afford to send him to university.
>>
>> Similarly, Grice's family could not afford him to send him to a good
>> prestigious prep. But since his mother was running one, he joined his
>> mother's
>> school -- along with his brother Derek. They ended up being Mrs. Grice's
>> favourite students (and sons).
>>
>>
>> Heidegger entered a Jesuit seminary, though he was turned away within
>> weeks because of the health requirement and what the director and doctor
>> of the
>> seminary described as a psychosomatic heart condition.
>>
>>
>> On the other hand, after prep, Grice's parents made an effort and he was
>> sent to Clifton, in Somerset -- "possibly England's best public school",
>> in
>> the words of a few Old Cliftonians.
>>
>> Heidegger later left Catholicism, describing it as incompatible with his
>> philosophy.
>>
>> On the other hand, Grice keeps referring to the 39 Articles for the rest
>> of
>> his life. He mentions them in "Studies in the Way of Words" when
>> analysing
>> the word 'commit'. I can commit myself to the 39 Articles without having
>> an idea what they mean or read.
>>
>> After studying theology at the University of Freiburg from 1909 to 1911,
>> Heidegger switched to philosophy, in part again because of his heart
>> condition.
>>
>> On the other hand, after studying Greek (or classics -- 'except that I
>> couldn't care less for Latin'), Grice switched to philosophy, which was
>> however
>> still taught under the general rubric of Lit. Hum. in Oxford.
>>
>> Heidegger completed his doctoral thesis on psychologism in 1914
>> influenced
>> by Neo-Thomism and Neo-Kantianism, and in 1916 finished his venia legendi
>> with a thesis on Duns Scotus influenced by Heinrich Rickert and Edmund
>> Husserl.
>>
>> On the other hand, Oxford scholars were NEVER required to attain a
>> doctorate ('we don't want to look overqualified). So Grice just obtained
>> a BA and
>> MA from Oxford as student at Corpus. He later obtained a scholarship at
>> Merton and was appointed fellow of St. John's not long after.
>>
>> "St. John's" being the best Oxford college, in the words of some
>> scholars
>> who have St. John's as their alma mater.
>>
>>
>> In the two years following, Heidegger worked first as an unsalaried
>> Privatdozent, then served as a soldier during the final year of the Great
>> War,
>> working behind a desk and never leaving Germany.
>>
>> On the other hand, Grice joined the Navy during the 'Second World War'
>> --
>> and was soon transferred to Admiralty. He retired as Captain, and was
>> involved briefly in action in the North Atlantic theatre of operations,
>> as it was
>> called -- against the Germans!
>>
>> If Heidegger worked as a privatedozent, Grice was for a year classics
>> teacher at Rossall, in Lancashire -- but hated it!
>>
>> After the Greaet War, Heidegger served as a salaried senior assistant to
>> Edmund Husserl at the University of Freiburg in the Black Forest from
>> 1919
>> until 1923.
>>
>> O. T. O. H., once Grice became a Fellow of the richest college in
>> Oxford,
>> St. John's, he could dedicate to implicature, cricket, bridge, chess, and
>> music (he played the piano). He was also chair of the Oxford film club
>> (his
>> favourite actress was Norma Shearer).
>>
>> In 1923, Heidegger was elected to an extraordinary Professorship in
>> Philosophy at the University of Marburg.
>>
>> In 1967, Grice was elected Professor of Philosophy at UC/Berkeley. On
>> that
>> same day, he said:
>>
>> "Heidegger is the greatest living philosopher".
>>
>> And he _knew_!
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Speranza
>>
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