On Tue, Apr 1, 2014 at 10:31 AM, palma <palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: > > > > On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 11:44 PM, Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>wrote: > >> As did Oscar Wilde. >> On Monday, March 31, 2014 9:55 AM, palma <palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx> >> wrote: >> elton heidegger had a wife, sO? >> >> >> On Mon, Mar 31, 2014 at 9:47 AM, Donal McEvoy >> <donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx>wrote: >> >> >> >that is false - wittgenstein did have a girlfriend (M. Respinger.)> >> >> Elton John had a wife. >> >> Dnl >> Man of the world >> England >> On Monday, 31 March 2014, 8:15, palma <palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> that is false - wittgenstein did have a girlfriend (M. Respinger.) >> She died a few years ago >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 5:39 PM, Donal McEvoy <donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx >> > wrote: >> >> >> >it is also of great interest that Wittgenstein watched carmen miranda >> and Parmenides liked more than anything else spike jonze> >> >> It is thought that W not only watched Carmen but he, >> aye-aye-aye-aye-aye, liked her very much. >> >> Dnl >> Biographer to the stars >> Ldn >> On Sunday, 30 March 2014, 10:27, palma <palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> you do not understand, grice is right, explanations are for idiots who >> are not griced >> >> >> On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 3:47 AM, Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>wrote: >> >> Now I suspect that, since Grice did not provide an explanation, we >> will get a lot of talk about implicatures, disimplicatures, and what not. >> >> >> On , Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: >> Well, I got it Grice said this and ? Did Grice explain it in some way >> ? >> >> >> On Sunday, March 30, 2014 3:27 AM, "Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx" < >> Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx> wrote: >> Grice thought or said that Heidegger was the greatest living >> philosopher. >> >> Heidegger dedicates a few passages of his views on language to the >> 'turns >> of conversation' that should have appealed Grice. Or not. >> >> >> O. T. O. H., there's this essay by Marrone, at >> >> >> http://www.academia.edu/2041564/Losing_the_Forest_for_the_Trees_The_Paralell >> _Aims_of_Heidegger_and_Ordinary_Language_Philosophy >> >> Losing the Forest for The Trees: >> The Parallel Aims of Heidegger and Ordinary Language Philosophy >> >> Marrone writes: >> >> "In a world where the wounds of two world wars lay fresh and unhealed, >> philosophy, like nearly every aspect of life in the Western world at the >> midway >> point of the 20th century, took aninteresting and transformative turn." >> >> "With J.L Austin, G.E. Moore, Gilbert Ryle, [H. P. Grice] and the like, >> a >> decisive shift occurred in the treatment of philosophical questions >> towards >> what we know as ordinary language philosophy (OLP)." >> >> -- which for Grice was encapsulated in the idea of 'implicature' ("that >> Witters ignored blatantly.") >> >> Marrone goes on: >> >> "Though they are many and varied in their particular view-points and >> areas >> of study, the distinctive mark of an ordinary language philosopher is a >> fundamental trust and confidence in ordinary language as a guiding torch >> towards solving the problems of philosophy." >> >> "This tradition of philosophy in light of ordinary language is born >> primarily out of, and as a response to the traditional speculative >> metaphysical >> philosophy of the previous generations" -- notably Heidegger. >> >> Marrone concludes his interesting essay: >> >> "For both Ordinary Language Philosophy" >> >> of the type Grice practised >> >> "and Heidegger, there is something restricting the analysis of >> philosophers in the past." >> >> "In the case of Ordinary Language Philosophy, the story reads that >> philosophers are mislead by their use of ambiguous language to believe >> in >> fictional entities, empty metaphysical phrases, and confusing >> terminology." >> >> "This deluding inevitably leads to an inability to see the motivating >> problems behind philosophical issues, leaving incomplete answers and >> surface >> level entirely misguided systems of philosophical though." >> >> "For Heidegger, philosopher's are in the grip of the misleading >> apparatus >> of Descartes' representationalist view of the world." >> >> "Thus, our answer to the sceptic is that both Ordinary language >> philosophers" >> >> like Grice >> >> "and Heidegger concede that every philosopher aims at getting to the >> heart >> of their philosophy inquiry, it is just that there are structural road >> blocks that prevent them from doing so." >> >> "On the one hand, ordinary language philosophy points to the imprecise >> meaning of words, and on the other, Heidegger points to the misguided >> influence >> of Descartes's legacy." >> >> Or not. >> >> Heidegger was born in rural Messkirch, Germany. >> >> On the other hand, Herbert Paul Grice was born in the affluent part of >> 'Birmingham' -- when it was part of Warwickshire and Staffordshire. >> >> Raised a Roman Catholic, Martin Heidegger was the son of the sexton of >> the >> village church, Friedrich Heidegger, and his wife Johanna, née Kempf. >> >> On the other hand, raised an Anglican, Herbert Paul Grice was the son of >> the non-conformist cello player Herbert Grice ('a dreadful businessman, >> but a >> fine musician') and his wife Mabel Fenton, who ran the family business as >> she performed as head mistress of the main academy ('prep') in that >> affluent suburb of 'Brum'. >> >> In their faith, Heidegger's parents adhered to the First Vatican Council >> of 1870, which was observed mainly by the poorer class of Messkirch. >> >> In her faith, Grice's mother, on the other hand, who was a High >> Anglican, >> adhered to the 39 Articles, which were observed mainly by the upper class >> of >> Birmingham. >> >> The religious controversy between the wealthy Altkatholiken and the >> working >> class led to the temporary use of a converted barn for the Roman >> Catholics >> At the festive reunion of the congregation in 1895, the Old Catholic >> sexton handed the key to six-year-old Martin. >> >> On the other hand, Grice witnessed almost every night the fights of a >> theological nature between his nonconformist father, his High Anglican >> mother, >> and a resident aunt, who, granted, was a Catholic (like Heidegger). >> >> Heidegger's family could not afford to send him to university. >> >> Similarly, Grice's family could not afford him to send him to a good >> prestigious prep. But since his mother was running one, he joined his >> mother's >> school -- along with his brother Derek. They ended up being Mrs. Grice's >> favourite students (and sons). >> >> >> Heidegger entered a Jesuit seminary, though he was turned away within >> weeks because of the health requirement and what the director and doctor >> of the >> seminary described as a psychosomatic heart condition. >> >> >> On the other hand, after prep, Grice's parents made an effort and he was >> sent to Clifton, in Somerset -- "possibly England's best public school", >> in >> the words of a few Old Cliftonians. >> >> Heidegger later left Catholicism, describing it as incompatible with his >> philosophy. >> >> On the other hand, Grice keeps referring to the 39 Articles for the rest >> of >> his life. He mentions them in "Studies in the Way of Words" when >> analysing >> the word 'commit'. I can commit myself to the 39 Articles without having >> an idea what they mean or read. >> >> After studying theology at the University of Freiburg from 1909 to 1911, >> Heidegger switched to philosophy, in part again because of his heart >> condition. >> >> On the other hand, after studying Greek (or classics -- 'except that I >> couldn't care less for Latin'), Grice switched to philosophy, which was >> however >> still taught under the general rubric of Lit. Hum. in Oxford. >> >> Heidegger completed his doctoral thesis on psychologism in 1914 >> influenced >> by Neo-Thomism and Neo-Kantianism, and in 1916 finished his venia legendi >> with a thesis on Duns Scotus influenced by Heinrich Rickert and Edmund >> Husserl. >> >> On the other hand, Oxford scholars were NEVER required to attain a >> doctorate ('we don't want to look overqualified). So Grice just obtained >> a BA and >> MA from Oxford as student at Corpus. He later obtained a scholarship at >> Merton and was appointed fellow of St. John's not long after. >> >> "St. John's" being the best Oxford college, in the words of some >> scholars >> who have St. John's as their alma mater. >> >> >> In the two years following, Heidegger worked first as an unsalaried >> Privatdozent, then served as a soldier during the final year of the Great >> War, >> working behind a desk and never leaving Germany. >> >> On the other hand, Grice joined the Navy during the 'Second World War' >> -- >> and was soon transferred to Admiralty. He retired as Captain, and was >> involved briefly in action in the North Atlantic theatre of operations, >> as it was >> called -- against the Germans! >> >> If Heidegger worked as a privatedozent, Grice was for a year classics >> teacher at Rossall, in Lancashire -- but hated it! >> >> After the Greaet War, Heidegger served as a salaried senior assistant to >> Edmund Husserl at the University of Freiburg in the Black Forest from >> 1919 >> until 1923. >> >> O. T. O. H., once Grice became a Fellow of the richest college in >> Oxford, >> St. John's, he could dedicate to implicature, cricket, bridge, chess, and >> music (he played the piano). He was also chair of the Oxford film club >> (his >> favourite actress was Norma Shearer). >> >> In 1923, Heidegger was elected to an extraordinary Professorship in >> Philosophy at the University of Marburg. >> >> In 1967, Grice was elected Professor of Philosophy at UC/Berkeley. On >> that >> same day, he said: >> >> "Heidegger is the greatest living philosopher". >> >> And he _knew_! >> >> Cheers, >> >> Speranza >> >> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------ >> To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, >> digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> palma, e TheKwini, KZN >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> palma >> >> cell phone is 0762362391 >> >> >> >> *only when in Europe*: >> inst. J. Nicod >> 29 rue d'Ulm >> f-75005 paris france >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> palma, e TheKwini, KZN >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> palma >> >> cell phone is 0762362391 >> >> >> >> *only when in Europe*: >> inst. J. Nicod >> 29 rue d'Ulm >> f-75005 paris france >> >> >> >> >> >> >> -- >> palma, e TheKwini, KZN >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> palma >> >> cell phone is 0762362391 >> >> >> >> *only when in Europe*: >> inst. J. 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