[lit-ideas] Re: Heidegger: the greatest living philosopher

  • From: Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 13:46:03 -0700 (PDT)

I believe that it is believed that W. was gay, so he probably did not like her 
in *that* way.

On Sunday, March 30, 2014 5:40 PM, Donal McEvoy <donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx> 

>it is also of great interest that Wittgenstein watched carmen miranda and  
>Parmenides liked more than anything else spike jonze>

It is thought that W not only watched Carmen but he, aye-aye-aye-aye-aye, liked 
her very much.

Biographer to the stars


On Sunday, 30 March 2014, 10:27, palma <palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
you do not understand, grice is right, explanations are for idiots who are not 

On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 3:47 AM, Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

Now I suspect that, since Grice did not provide an explanation, we will get a 
lot of talk about implicatures, disimplicatures, and what not.
>On , Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>Well, I got it Grice said this and ? Did Grice explain it in some way ?
>On Sunday, March 30, 2014 3:27 AM, "Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx" <Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx> 
>Grice thought or said that Heidegger was the greatest living  philosopher.
>Heidegger dedicates a few passages of his views on language to the 'turns  
>of conversation' that should have appealed Grice. Or not.
>O. T. O. H., there's this essay by Marrone, at 
>Losing the Forest for The Trees:
>The Parallel Aims of Heidegger and Ordinary Language Philosophy
>Marrone writes:
>"In a world where the wounds of two world wars lay fresh and unhealed,  
>philosophy, like nearly every aspect of life in the Western world at the 
>point of the 20th century, took aninteresting and transformative turn."
>"With J.L Austin, G.E. Moore, Gilbert Ryle, [H. P. Grice] and the  like, a 
>decisive shift occurred in the treatment of philosophical questions  towards 
>what we know as ordinary language philosophy (OLP)."
>-- which for Grice was encapsulated in the idea of 'implicature' ("that  
>Witters ignored blatantly.")
>Marrone goes on:
>"Though they are many and varied in their particular view-points and areas  
>of study, the distinctive mark of an ordinary language philosopher is a  
>fundamental trust and confidence in ordinary language as a guiding torch 
>towards  solving the problems of philosophy."
>"This tradition of philosophy in light of ordinary language is born  
>primarily out of, and as a response to the traditional speculative 
>philosophy of the previous generations" -- notably Heidegger.
>Marrone concludes his interesting essay:
>"For both Ordinary Language Philosophy"
>of the type Grice practised
>"and Heidegger, there is something restricting the analysis of  
>philosophers in the past."
>"In the case of Ordinary Language Philosophy, the story reads that  
>philosophers are mislead by their use of ambiguous language to believe in  
>fictional entities, empty metaphysical phrases, and confusing  terminology."
>"This deluding inevitably leads to an inability to see the motivating  
>problems behind philosophical issues, leaving incomplete answers and surface  
>level entirely misguided systems of philosophical though."
>"For Heidegger, philosopher's are in the grip of the misleading apparatus  
>of Descartes' representationalist view of the world."
>"Thus, our answer to the sceptic is that both Ordinary  language 
>like Grice
>"and Heidegger concede that every philosopher aims at getting to the heart  
>of their philosophy inquiry, it is just that there are structural road 
>blocks  that prevent them from doing so."
>"On the one hand, ordinary language philosophy points to the imprecise  
>meaning of words, and on the other, Heidegger points to the misguided 
>of Descartes's legacy."
>Or not.
>Heidegger was born in rural Messkirch, Germany. 
>On the other hand, Herbert Paul Grice was born in the affluent part of  
>'Birmingham' -- when it was part of Warwickshire and Staffordshire. 
>Raised a Roman Catholic, Martin Heidegger was the son of the  sexton of the 
>village church, Friedrich Heidegger, and his wife Johanna, née  Kempf. 
>On the other hand, raised an Anglican, Herbert Paul Grice was the son of  
>the non-conformist cello player Herbert Grice ('a dreadful businessman, but a 
>fine musician') and his wife Mabel Fenton, who ran the family business as 
>she  performed as head mistress of the main academy ('prep') in that 
>affluent suburb  of 'Brum'. 
>In their faith, Heidegger's parents adhered to the First Vatican  Council 
>of 1870, which was observed mainly by the poorer class of Messkirch. 
>In her faith, Grice's mother, on the other hand, who was a High Anglican,  
>adhered to the 39 Articles, which were observed mainly by the upper class of 
>The religious controversy between the wealthy Altkatholiken and the working 
>class led to the temporary use of a converted barn for the Roman Catholics 
>At  the festive reunion of the congregation in 1895, the Old Catholic 
>sexton handed  the key to six-year-old Martin.
>On the other hand, Grice witnessed almost every night the fights of a  
>theological nature between his nonconformist father, his High Anglican mother, 
>and a resident aunt, who, granted, was a Catholic (like Heidegger). 
>Heidegger's family could not afford to send him to university.
>Similarly, Grice's family could not afford him to send him to a good  
>prestigious prep. But since his mother was running one, he joined his mother's 
>school -- along with his brother Derek. They ended up being Mrs. Grice's  
>favourite students (and sons).
>Heidegger entered a Jesuit seminary, though he was turned away within  
>weeks because of the health requirement and what the director and doctor of 
>seminary described as a psychosomatic heart condition.
>On the other hand, after prep, Grice's parents made an effort and he was  
>sent to Clifton, in Somerset -- "possibly England's best public school", in 
>the  words of a few Old Cliftonians.
>Heidegger later left Catholicism, describing it as incompatible with his  
>On the other hand, Grice keeps referring to the 39 Articles for the rest of 
>his life. He mentions them in "Studies in the Way of Words" when analysing 
>the  word 'commit'. I can commit myself to the 39 Articles without having 
>an idea  what they mean or read.
>After studying theology at the University of Freiburg from 1909 to  1911, 
>Heidegger switched to philosophy, in part again because of his heart  
>On the other hand, after studying Greek (or classics -- 'except that I  
>couldn't care less for Latin'), Grice switched to philosophy, which was 
>still taught under the general rubric of Lit. Hum. in Oxford.
>Heidegger completed his doctoral thesis on psychologism in 1914 influenced  
>by Neo-Thomism and Neo-Kantianism, and in 1916 finished his venia legendi 
>with a  thesis on Duns Scotus influenced by Heinrich Rickert and Edmund 
>On the other hand, Oxford scholars were NEVER required to attain a  
>doctorate ('we don't want to look overqualified). So Grice just obtained a BA  
>MA from Oxford as student at Corpus. He later obtained a scholarship at  
>Merton and was appointed fellow of St. John's not long after.
>"St. John's" being the best Oxford college, in the words of some scholars  
>who have St. John's as their alma mater.
>In the two years following, Heidegger worked first as an unsalaried  
>Privatdozent, then served as a soldier during the final year of the Great War, 
>working behind a desk and never leaving Germany.
>On the other hand, Grice joined the Navy during the 'Second World War' --  
>and was soon transferred to Admiralty. He retired as Captain, and was 
>involved  briefly in action in the North Atlantic theatre of operations, as it 
>called  -- against the Germans!
>If Heidegger worked as a privatedozent, Grice was for a year classics  
>teacher at Rossall, in Lancashire -- but hated it! 
>After the Greaet War, Heidegger served as a salaried senior assistant  to 
>Edmund Husserl at the University of Freiburg in the Black Forest from 1919  
>until 1923.
>O. T. O. H., once Grice became a Fellow of the richest college in Oxford,  
>St. John's, he could dedicate to implicature, cricket, bridge, chess, and 
>music  (he played the piano). He was also chair of the Oxford film club (his 
>favourite  actress was Norma Shearer).
>In 1923, Heidegger was elected to an extraordinary Professorship in  
>Philosophy at the University of Marburg. 
>In 1967, Grice was elected Professor of Philosophy at UC/Berkeley. On that  
>same day, he said:
>"Heidegger is the greatest living philosopher".
>And he _knew_!
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