[lit-ideas] Re: Heidegger: the greatest living philosopher

  • From: palma <palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:21:39 +0200

you do not understand, when Grice's statemenets are reported one is
immediately in the Geworfenheit of the Sachlich, one feels the erection of
an unashakable monument to truth and impossile not to recognize compulsion
to obey the maxim.
if you don't you shall be forced to read the complete librettos by speranza
on the theme "Grice said so, bro, and that is O"

On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 3:33 AM, Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Well, I got it Grice said this and ? Did Grice explain it in some way ?
>   On Sunday, March 30, 2014 3:27 AM, "Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx" <
> Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx> wrote:
>  Grice thought or said that Heidegger was the greatest living
> philosopher.
> Heidegger dedicates a few passages of his views on language to the 'turns
> of conversation' that should have appealed Grice. Or not.
> O. T. O. H., there's this essay by Marrone, at
> http://www.academia.edu/2041564/Losing_the_Forest_for_the_Trees_The_Paralell
> _Aims_of_Heidegger_and_Ordinary_Language_Philosophy
> Losing the Forest for The Trees:
> The Parallel Aims of Heidegger and Ordinary Language Philosophy
> Marrone writes:
> "In a world where the wounds of two world wars lay fresh and unhealed,
> philosophy, like nearly every aspect of life in the Western world at the
> midway
> point of the 20th century, took aninteresting and transformative turn."
> "With J.L Austin, G.E. Moore, Gilbert Ryle, [H. P. Grice] and the  like, a
> decisive shift occurred in the treatment of philosophical questions
> towards
> what we know as ordinary language philosophy (OLP)."
> -- which for Grice was encapsulated in the idea of 'implicature' ("that
> Witters ignored blatantly.")
> Marrone goes on:
> "Though they are many and varied in their particular view-points and
> areas
> of study, the distinctive mark of an ordinary language philosopher is a
> fundamental trust and confidence in ordinary language as a guiding torch
> towards  solving the problems of philosophy."
> "This tradition of philosophy in light of ordinary language is born
> primarily out of, and as a response to the traditional speculative
> metaphysical
> philosophy of the previous generations" -- notably Heidegger.
> Marrone concludes his interesting essay:
> "For both Ordinary Language Philosophy"
> of the type Grice practised
> "and Heidegger, there is something restricting the analysis of
> philosophers in the past."
> "In the case of Ordinary Language Philosophy, the story reads that
> philosophers are mislead by their use of ambiguous language to believe in
> fictional entities, empty metaphysical phrases, and confusing
> terminology."
> "This deluding inevitably leads to an inability to see the motivating
> problems behind philosophical issues, leaving incomplete answers and
> surface
> level entirely misguided systems of philosophical though."
> "For Heidegger, philosopher's are in the grip of the misleading apparatus
> of Descartes' representationalist view of the world."
> "Thus, our answer to the sceptic is that both Ordinary  language
> philosophers"
> like Grice
> "and Heidegger concede that every philosopher aims at getting to the
> heart
> of their philosophy inquiry, it is just that there are structural road
> blocks  that prevent them from doing so."
> "On the one hand, ordinary language philosophy points to the imprecise
> meaning of words, and on the other, Heidegger points to the misguided
> influence
> of Descartes's legacy."
> Or not.
> Heidegger was born in rural Messkirch, Germany.
> On the other hand, Herbert Paul Grice was born in the affluent part of
> 'Birmingham' -- when it was part of Warwickshire and Staffordshire.
> Raised a Roman Catholic, Martin Heidegger was the son of the  sexton of
> the
> village church, Friedrich Heidegger, and his wife Johanna, née  Kempf.
> On the other hand, raised an Anglican, Herbert Paul Grice was the son of
> the non-conformist cello player Herbert Grice ('a dreadful businessman,
> but a
> fine musician') and his wife Mabel Fenton, who ran the family business as
> she  performed as head mistress of the main academy ('prep') in that
> affluent suburb  of 'Brum'.
> In their faith, Heidegger's parents adhered to the First Vatican  Council
> of 1870, which was observed mainly by the poorer class of Messkirch.
> In her faith, Grice's mother, on the other hand, who was a High Anglican,
> adhered to the 39 Articles, which were observed mainly by the upper class
> of
> Birmingham.
> The religious controversy between the wealthy Altkatholiken and the
> working
> class led to the temporary use of a converted barn for the Roman Catholics
> At  the festive reunion of the congregation in 1895, the Old Catholic
> sexton handed  the key to six-year-old Martin.
> On the other hand, Grice witnessed almost every night the fights of a
> theological nature between his nonconformist father, his High Anglican
> mother,
> and a resident aunt, who, granted, was a Catholic (like Heidegger).
> Heidegger's family could not afford to send him to university.
> Similarly, Grice's family could not afford him to send him to a good
> prestigious prep. But since his mother was running one, he joined his
> mother's
> school -- along with his brother Derek. They ended up being Mrs. Grice's
> favourite students (and sons).
> Heidegger entered a Jesuit seminary, though he was turned away within
> weeks because of the health requirement and what the director and doctor
> of the
> seminary described as a psychosomatic heart condition.
> On the other hand, after prep, Grice's parents made an effort and he was
> sent to Clifton, in Somerset -- "possibly England's best public school",
> in
> the  words of a few Old Cliftonians.
> Heidegger later left Catholicism, describing it as incompatible with his
> philosophy.
> On the other hand, Grice keeps referring to the 39 Articles for the rest
> of
> his life. He mentions them in "Studies in the Way of Words" when analysing
> the  word 'commit'. I can commit myself to the 39 Articles without having
> an idea  what they mean or read.
> After studying theology at the University of Freiburg from 1909 to  1911,
> Heidegger switched to philosophy, in part again because of his heart
> condition.
> On the other hand, after studying Greek (or classics -- 'except that I
> couldn't care less for Latin'), Grice switched to philosophy, which was
> however
> still taught under the general rubric of Lit. Hum. in Oxford.
> Heidegger completed his doctoral thesis on psychologism in 1914
> influenced
> by Neo-Thomism and Neo-Kantianism, and in 1916 finished his venia legendi
> with a  thesis on Duns Scotus influenced by Heinrich Rickert and Edmund
> Husserl.
> On the other hand, Oxford scholars were NEVER required to attain a
> doctorate ('we don't want to look overqualified). So Grice just obtained a
> BA  and
> MA from Oxford as student at Corpus. He later obtained a scholarship at
> Merton and was appointed fellow of St. John's not long after.
> "St. John's" being the best Oxford college, in the words of some scholars
> who have St. John's as their alma mater.
> In the two years following, Heidegger worked first as an unsalaried
> Privatdozent, then served as a soldier during the final year of the Great
> War,
> working behind a desk and never leaving Germany.
> On the other hand, Grice joined the Navy during the 'Second World War' --
> and was soon transferred to Admiralty. He retired as Captain, and was
> involved  briefly in action in the North Atlantic theatre of operations,
> as it was
> called  -- against the Germans!
> If Heidegger worked as a privatedozent, Grice was for a year classics
> teacher at Rossall, in Lancashire -- but hated it!
> After the Greaet War, Heidegger served as a salaried senior assistant  to
> Edmund Husserl at the University of Freiburg in the Black Forest from
> 1919
> until 1923.
> O. T. O. H., once Grice became a Fellow of the richest college in Oxford,
> St. John's, he could dedicate to implicature, cricket, bridge, chess, and
> music  (he played the piano). He was also chair of the Oxford film club
> (his
> favourite  actress was Norma Shearer).
> In 1923, Heidegger was elected to an extraordinary Professorship in
> Philosophy at the University of Marburg.
> In 1967, Grice was elected Professor of Philosophy at UC/Berkeley. On
> that
> same day, he said:
> "Heidegger is the greatest living philosopher".
> And he _knew_!
> Cheers,
> Speranza
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