[lit-ideas] Re: Heidegger: the greatest living philosopher
- From: Donal McEvoy <donalmcevoyuk@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: "lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 16:39:58 +0100 (BST)
>it is also of great interest that Wittgenstein watched carmen miranda and
>Parmenides liked more than anything else spike jonze>
It is thought that W not only watched Carmen but he, aye-aye-aye-aye-aye, liked
her very much.
Dnl
Biographer to the stars
Ldn
On Sunday, 30 March 2014, 10:27, palma <palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
you do not understand, grice is right, explanations are for idiots who are not
griced
On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 3:47 AM, Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Now I suspect that, since Grice did not provide an explanation, we will get a
lot of talk about implicatures, disimplicatures, and what not.
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>On , Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
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>Well, I got it Grice said this and ? Did Grice explain it in some way ?
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>On Sunday, March 30, 2014 3:27 AM, "Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx" <Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx>
>wrote:
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>Grice thought or said that Heidegger was the greatest living philosopher.
>
>Heidegger dedicates a few passages of his views on language to the 'turns
>of conversation' that should have appealed Grice. Or not.
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>
>O. T. O. H., there's this essay by Marrone, at
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>http://www.academia.edu/2041564/Losing_the_Forest_for_the_Trees_The_Paralell
>_Aims_of_Heidegger_and_Ordinary_Language_Philosophy
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>Losing the Forest for The Trees:
>The Parallel Aims of Heidegger and Ordinary Language Philosophy
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>Marrone writes:
>
>"In a world where the wounds of two world wars lay fresh and unhealed,
>philosophy, like nearly every aspect of life in the Western world at the
>midway
>point of the 20th century, took aninteresting and transformative turn."
>
>"With J.L Austin, G.E. Moore, Gilbert Ryle, [H. P. Grice] and the like, a
>decisive shift occurred in the treatment of philosophical questions towards
>what we know as ordinary language philosophy (OLP)."
>
>-- which for Grice was encapsulated in the idea of 'implicature' ("that
>Witters ignored blatantly.")
>
>Marrone goes on:
>
>"Though they are many and varied in their particular view-points and areas
>of study, the distinctive mark of an ordinary language philosopher is a
>fundamental trust and confidence in ordinary language as a guiding torch
>towards solving the problems of philosophy."
>
>"This tradition of philosophy in light of ordinary language is born
>primarily out of, and as a response to the traditional speculative
>metaphysical
>philosophy of the previous generations" -- notably Heidegger.
>
>Marrone concludes his interesting essay:
>
>"For both Ordinary Language Philosophy"
>
>of the type Grice practised
>
>"and Heidegger, there is something restricting the analysis of
>philosophers in the past."
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>"In the case of Ordinary Language Philosophy, the story reads that
>philosophers are mislead by their use of ambiguous language to believe in
>fictional entities, empty metaphysical phrases, and confusing terminology."
>
>"This deluding inevitably leads to an inability to see the motivating
>problems behind philosophical issues, leaving incomplete answers and surface
>level entirely misguided systems of philosophical though."
>
>"For Heidegger, philosopher's are in the grip of the misleading apparatus
>of Descartes' representationalist view of the world."
>
>"Thus, our answer to the sceptic is that both Ordinary language
>philosophers"
>
>like Grice
>
>"and Heidegger concede that every philosopher aims at getting to the heart
>of their philosophy inquiry, it is just that there are structural road
>blocks that prevent them from doing so."
>
>"On the one hand, ordinary language philosophy points to the imprecise
>meaning of words, and on the other, Heidegger points to the misguided
>influence
>of Descartes's legacy."
>
>Or not.
>
>Heidegger was born in rural Messkirch, Germany.
>
>On the other hand, Herbert Paul Grice was born in the affluent part of
>'Birmingham' -- when it was part of Warwickshire and Staffordshire.
>
>Raised a Roman Catholic, Martin Heidegger was the son of the sexton of the
>village church, Friedrich Heidegger, and his wife Johanna, née Kempf.
>
>On the other hand, raised an Anglican, Herbert Paul Grice was the son of
>the non-conformist cello player Herbert Grice ('a dreadful businessman, but a
>fine musician') and his wife Mabel Fenton, who ran the family business as
>she performed as head mistress of the main academy ('prep') in that
>affluent suburb of 'Brum'.
>
>In their faith, Heidegger's parents adhered to the First Vatican Council
>of 1870, which was observed mainly by the poorer class of Messkirch.
>
>In her faith, Grice's mother, on the other hand, who was a High Anglican,
>adhered to the 39 Articles, which were observed mainly by the upper class of
>Birmingham.
>
>The religious controversy between the wealthy Altkatholiken and the working
>class led to the temporary use of a converted barn for the Roman Catholics
>At the festive reunion of the congregation in 1895, the Old Catholic
>sexton handed the key to six-year-old Martin.
>
>On the other hand, Grice witnessed almost every night the fights of a
>theological nature between his nonconformist father, his High Anglican mother,
>
>and a resident aunt, who, granted, was a Catholic (like Heidegger).
>
>Heidegger's family could not afford to send him to university.
>
>Similarly, Grice's family could not afford him to send him to a good
>prestigious prep. But since his mother was running one, he joined his mother's
>
>school -- along with his brother Derek. They ended up being Mrs. Grice's
>favourite students (and sons).
>
>
>Heidegger entered a Jesuit seminary, though he was turned away within
>weeks because of the health requirement and what the director and doctor of
>the
>seminary described as a psychosomatic heart condition.
>
>
>On the other hand, after prep, Grice's parents made an effort and he was
>sent to Clifton, in Somerset -- "possibly England's best public school", in
>the words of a few Old Cliftonians.
>
>Heidegger later left Catholicism, describing it as incompatible with his
>philosophy.
>
>On the other hand, Grice keeps referring to the 39 Articles for the rest of
>his life. He mentions them in "Studies in the Way of Words" when analysing
>the word 'commit'. I can commit myself to the 39 Articles without having
>an idea what they mean or read.
>
>After studying theology at the University of Freiburg from 1909 to 1911,
>Heidegger switched to philosophy, in part again because of his heart
>condition.
>
>On the other hand, after studying Greek (or classics -- 'except that I
>couldn't care less for Latin'), Grice switched to philosophy, which was
>however
>still taught under the general rubric of Lit. Hum. in Oxford.
>
>Heidegger completed his doctoral thesis on psychologism in 1914 influenced
>by Neo-Thomism and Neo-Kantianism, and in 1916 finished his venia legendi
>with a thesis on Duns Scotus influenced by Heinrich Rickert and Edmund
>Husserl.
>
>On the other hand, Oxford scholars were NEVER required to attain a
>doctorate ('we don't want to look overqualified). So Grice just obtained a BA
>and
>MA from Oxford as student at Corpus. He later obtained a scholarship at
>Merton and was appointed fellow of St. John's not long after.
>
>"St. John's" being the best Oxford college, in the words of some scholars
>who have St. John's as their alma mater.
>
>
>In the two years following, Heidegger worked first as an unsalaried
>Privatdozent, then served as a soldier during the final year of the Great War,
>
>working behind a desk and never leaving Germany.
>
>On the other hand, Grice joined the Navy during the 'Second World War' --
>and was soon transferred to Admiralty. He retired as Captain, and was
>involved briefly in action in the North Atlantic theatre of operations, as it
>was
>called -- against the Germans!
>
>If Heidegger worked as a privatedozent, Grice was for a year classics
>teacher at Rossall, in Lancashire -- but hated it!
>
>After the Greaet War, Heidegger served as a salaried senior assistant to
>Edmund Husserl at the University of Freiburg in the Black Forest from 1919
>until 1923.
>
>O. T. O. H., once Grice became a Fellow of the richest college in Oxford,
>St. John's, he could dedicate to implicature, cricket, bridge, chess, and
>music (he played the piano). He was also chair of the Oxford film club (his
>favourite actress was Norma Shearer).
>
>In 1923, Heidegger was elected to an extraordinary Professorship in
>Philosophy at the University of Marburg.
>
>In 1967, Grice was elected Professor of Philosophy at UC/Berkeley. On that
>same day, he said:
>
>"Heidegger is the greatest living philosopher".
>
>And he _knew_!
>
>Cheers,
>
>Speranza
>
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