[lit-ideas] Re: Heidegger: the greatest living philosopher
- From: palma <palmaadriano@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: "lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2014 11:27:44 +0200
you do not understand, grice is right, explanations are for idiots who are
not griced
On Sun, Mar 30, 2014 at 3:47 AM, Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Now I suspect that, since Grice did not provide an explanation, we
> will get a lot of talk about implicatures, disimplicatures, and what not.
>
>
> On , Omar Kusturica <omarkusto@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> Well, I got it Grice said this and ? Did Grice explain it in some way ?
>
>
> On Sunday, March 30, 2014 3:27 AM, "Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx" <
> Jlsperanza@xxxxxxx> wrote:
> Grice thought or said that Heidegger was the greatest living
> philosopher.
>
> Heidegger dedicates a few passages of his views on language to the 'turns
> of conversation' that should have appealed Grice. Or not.
>
>
> O. T. O. H., there's this essay by Marrone, at
>
>
> http://www.academia.edu/2041564/Losing_the_Forest_for_the_Trees_The_Paralell
> _Aims_of_Heidegger_and_Ordinary_Language_Philosophy
>
> Losing the Forest for The Trees:
> The Parallel Aims of Heidegger and Ordinary Language Philosophy
>
> Marrone writes:
>
> "In a world where the wounds of two world wars lay fresh and unhealed,
> philosophy, like nearly every aspect of life in the Western world at the
> midway
> point of the 20th century, took aninteresting and transformative turn."
>
> "With J.L Austin, G.E. Moore, Gilbert Ryle, [H. P. Grice] and the like, a
> decisive shift occurred in the treatment of philosophical questions
> towards
> what we know as ordinary language philosophy (OLP)."
>
> -- which for Grice was encapsulated in the idea of 'implicature' ("that
> Witters ignored blatantly.")
>
> Marrone goes on:
>
> "Though they are many and varied in their particular view-points and
> areas
> of study, the distinctive mark of an ordinary language philosopher is a
> fundamental trust and confidence in ordinary language as a guiding torch
> towards solving the problems of philosophy."
>
> "This tradition of philosophy in light of ordinary language is born
> primarily out of, and as a response to the traditional speculative
> metaphysical
> philosophy of the previous generations" -- notably Heidegger.
>
> Marrone concludes his interesting essay:
>
> "For both Ordinary Language Philosophy"
>
> of the type Grice practised
>
> "and Heidegger, there is something restricting the analysis of
> philosophers in the past."
>
> "In the case of Ordinary Language Philosophy, the story reads that
> philosophers are mislead by their use of ambiguous language to believe in
> fictional entities, empty metaphysical phrases, and confusing
> terminology."
>
> "This deluding inevitably leads to an inability to see the motivating
> problems behind philosophical issues, leaving incomplete answers and
> surface
> level entirely misguided systems of philosophical though."
>
> "For Heidegger, philosopher's are in the grip of the misleading apparatus
> of Descartes' representationalist view of the world."
>
> "Thus, our answer to the sceptic is that both Ordinary language
> philosophers"
>
> like Grice
>
> "and Heidegger concede that every philosopher aims at getting to the
> heart
> of their philosophy inquiry, it is just that there are structural road
> blocks that prevent them from doing so."
>
> "On the one hand, ordinary language philosophy points to the imprecise
> meaning of words, and on the other, Heidegger points to the misguided
> influence
> of Descartes's legacy."
>
> Or not.
>
> Heidegger was born in rural Messkirch, Germany.
>
> On the other hand, Herbert Paul Grice was born in the affluent part of
> 'Birmingham' -- when it was part of Warwickshire and Staffordshire.
>
> Raised a Roman Catholic, Martin Heidegger was the son of the sexton of
> the
> village church, Friedrich Heidegger, and his wife Johanna, née Kempf.
>
> On the other hand, raised an Anglican, Herbert Paul Grice was the son of
> the non-conformist cello player Herbert Grice ('a dreadful businessman,
> but a
> fine musician') and his wife Mabel Fenton, who ran the family business as
> she performed as head mistress of the main academy ('prep') in that
> affluent suburb of 'Brum'.
>
> In their faith, Heidegger's parents adhered to the First Vatican Council
> of 1870, which was observed mainly by the poorer class of Messkirch.
>
> In her faith, Grice's mother, on the other hand, who was a High Anglican,
> adhered to the 39 Articles, which were observed mainly by the upper class
> of
> Birmingham.
>
> The religious controversy between the wealthy Altkatholiken and the
> working
> class led to the temporary use of a converted barn for the Roman Catholics
> At the festive reunion of the congregation in 1895, the Old Catholic
> sexton handed the key to six-year-old Martin.
>
> On the other hand, Grice witnessed almost every night the fights of a
> theological nature between his nonconformist father, his High Anglican
> mother,
> and a resident aunt, who, granted, was a Catholic (like Heidegger).
>
> Heidegger's family could not afford to send him to university.
>
> Similarly, Grice's family could not afford him to send him to a good
> prestigious prep. But since his mother was running one, he joined his
> mother's
> school -- along with his brother Derek. They ended up being Mrs. Grice's
> favourite students (and sons).
>
>
> Heidegger entered a Jesuit seminary, though he was turned away within
> weeks because of the health requirement and what the director and doctor
> of the
> seminary described as a psychosomatic heart condition.
>
>
> On the other hand, after prep, Grice's parents made an effort and he was
> sent to Clifton, in Somerset -- "possibly England's best public school",
> in
> the words of a few Old Cliftonians.
>
> Heidegger later left Catholicism, describing it as incompatible with his
> philosophy.
>
> On the other hand, Grice keeps referring to the 39 Articles for the rest
> of
> his life. He mentions them in "Studies in the Way of Words" when analysing
> the word 'commit'. I can commit myself to the 39 Articles without having
> an idea what they mean or read.
>
> After studying theology at the University of Freiburg from 1909 to 1911,
> Heidegger switched to philosophy, in part again because of his heart
> condition.
>
> On the other hand, after studying Greek (or classics -- 'except that I
> couldn't care less for Latin'), Grice switched to philosophy, which was
> however
> still taught under the general rubric of Lit. Hum. in Oxford.
>
> Heidegger completed his doctoral thesis on psychologism in 1914
> influenced
> by Neo-Thomism and Neo-Kantianism, and in 1916 finished his venia legendi
> with a thesis on Duns Scotus influenced by Heinrich Rickert and Edmund
> Husserl.
>
> On the other hand, Oxford scholars were NEVER required to attain a
> doctorate ('we don't want to look overqualified). So Grice just obtained a
> BA and
> MA from Oxford as student at Corpus. He later obtained a scholarship at
> Merton and was appointed fellow of St. John's not long after.
>
> "St. John's" being the best Oxford college, in the words of some scholars
> who have St. John's as their alma mater.
>
>
> In the two years following, Heidegger worked first as an unsalaried
> Privatdozent, then served as a soldier during the final year of the Great
> War,
> working behind a desk and never leaving Germany.
>
> On the other hand, Grice joined the Navy during the 'Second World War' --
> and was soon transferred to Admiralty. He retired as Captain, and was
> involved briefly in action in the North Atlantic theatre of operations,
> as it was
> called -- against the Germans!
>
> If Heidegger worked as a privatedozent, Grice was for a year classics
> teacher at Rossall, in Lancashire -- but hated it!
>
> After the Greaet War, Heidegger served as a salaried senior assistant to
> Edmund Husserl at the University of Freiburg in the Black Forest from
> 1919
> until 1923.
>
> O. T. O. H., once Grice became a Fellow of the richest college in Oxford,
> St. John's, he could dedicate to implicature, cricket, bridge, chess, and
> music (he played the piano). He was also chair of the Oxford film club
> (his
> favourite actress was Norma Shearer).
>
> In 1923, Heidegger was elected to an extraordinary Professorship in
> Philosophy at the University of Marburg.
>
> In 1967, Grice was elected Professor of Philosophy at UC/Berkeley. On
> that
> same day, he said:
>
> "Heidegger is the greatest living philosopher".
>
> And he _knew_!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Speranza
>
>
>
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