So, one can be a Christian and readily accept that the Universe is billions of years old and will remain in existence for billions of more years.
There is a disconnect when someone maintains that he both believes a god created the world AND the universe is a natural phenomenon (i.e., it happened by itself). There are certainly many people who believe both statements simultaneously; but they are not being consistent in their thinking. They want two mutually-contradictory positions at the same time.
This isn't unique to religion and science. It happens in politics as well. In Denmark, the queen is, to put it mildly, beloved by everyone. This includes members of the communist party. Yes, there are Danish communists who love the queen. Quite nonsensical.
Ed supports this with another point: he says most Christians are sensible people and don't think the bible is literally true.
That's incorrect. In Alabama, 79% of women believe the bible is literal truth. In the Southern Red states, about 75% of the population belives the bible is literal truth. Nationwide, 52% of Americans believe the bible is literal truth. No bang.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/2006/State%20Polls/August%202006/bibleLiterallyTrue.htmSo, some Christians may be confused and accept both statements, but most Christians reject science altogether.
An even better test is evolution. People can quibble about whether the universe was started by quantum mechanics or sky gods; that's not a personal issue. They don't really care.
But... was your grandmother a chimp? That's personal. Now it gets really emotional. Darwin or sky gods? Chimp or likeness-of-god?
What percentage of Americans accept Darwin's theory of evolution as the explanation for humans?
The number will astonish everyone. I thought it was at least 15%.1.2%. That's right. 98.8% of Americans do not accept evolution theory. Their grandmother was not a chimpanzee.
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Andreas Ramos writes: For Christians, time goes back to only a few thousand years. No big bang, no evolution. Certainly, Andreas, you are not suggesting that all Christians dispute the cosmological theory that the Universe started with the Big Bang.So you're saying there are Christians who accept the universe was created as a random fluctuation of quantum mechanics? They are atheist Christians? Yes, I am, actually. While I don't have precise numbers, I believe that the global Christian community numbers in the tens of millions at least. One can assume that not every member of this community adheres to the same docrtine. In fact, one would be recklessly irresponsible to make that suggestion. It is true that some Christians regard the Bible as an absolute truth which only lends itself to literal interpretation. Yet, most of them believe that the Biblical creation timeline is more of a parable rather than a direct explanation of creation. Doesn't anybody find it alarming that in the 21st century so many still cannot reconcile the existence of a higher designing intelligence with cosmological theory and biological evolutionary processes? To many, God could only have fashioned the Universe with a wand snap on blank parchment. Could it not be possible that creation necessarily had to be a prolonged event? That the quantum flicker sparking our genesis might have been precipitated by a deliberate action in a higher dimension.....that this flicker might very well have been engineered to produce the proper balance of fundamental force strengths. (If gravity were only slightly less powerful, such structures like galaxies, stars, planets could have never formed.) Yet, it was strong enough to produce the stars without being so powerful as to make the Universe collapse in on itself within a few nanoseconds of its creation. The stars, through nucleosynthesis, fashioned the heavier elements out of the light elements -hydrogen, helium- and thereby produced the elements (oxygen, carbon, iron, etc) that are required to cause the biochemical reactions necessary for life. Simple life forms evolve to higher life forms....big things eat little things, making intelligence in little things such an asset... intelligence becomes more sophisticated...and on and on. All of this takes a great deal of time. So, one can be a Christian and readily accept that the Universe is billions of years old and will remain in existence for billions of more years. (Although, Andreas, please defend your assertion that the Universe will end in heat death 50 billion years from now. This is only one possible scenario.) I admit that I am an agnostic. I became an agnostic because I am unequal to the task of comprehending the nature of a deity capable of creating the Universe. Heavens above, I am at a loss to comprehende the intellects of most humans, so I won't presume to know what God has up his hyperdimensional sleeve. Edward Gleason Portland ------------------------------------------------------------------ To change your Lit-Ideas settings (subscribe/unsub, vacation on/off, digest on/off), visit www.andreas.com/faq-lit-ideas.html
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