[lit-ideas] Re: Calley
- From: "Veronica Caley" <molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: <lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 4 Jun 2010 10:59:18 -0400
Mike:Veronica, remember that much if not most of the leadership of the Third
Reich were highly educated and cultured. Apparently education, intelligence
and the dictates of morality have little influence on human behavior. I
suspect it's something much more fundamental in our psyches that dictate
whether we'll be willing executioner or not. Don't know what that fundamental
factor might be, I suspect it's a profound understanding that one's self is
inviolable. But what do I know?
My comment was made not that education makes people better or more moral. It
was in reference to myself and how much I loved school, especially college. As
Carol, I jumped on the opportunity offered by Yale. I attend lectures here
when I can by my favorite heretic. But it's not often enough. And not enough
variety. I think the same thing re music. I heard the claim, many times, that
music makes people better or more moral. Don't believe that either.
Nevertheless, I support all education, except sectarian.
Veronica Caley
Milford, MI
----- Original Message -----
From: Mike Geary
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 11:05 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Calley
Veronica, remember that much if not most of the leadership of the Third Reich
were highly educated and cultured. Apparently education, intelligence and the
dictates of morality have little influence on human behavior. I suspect it's
something much more fundamental in our psyches that dictate whether we'll be
willing executioner or not. Don't know what that fundamental factor might be,
I suspect it's a profound understanding that one's self is inviolable. But
what do I know?
Mike Geary
Memphis
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 9:32 PM, Veronica Caley <molleo1@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
Carol:
What a treasure! I had no idea Yale offers online courses free to the
public. This looks like fun.--thanks for the link.
Me too. And now I demand to know who messed up that I was born too early
make use of this for very long.
I demand another life time. I just don't know from whom to demand it.
Veronica Caley
Milford, MI
----- Original Message -----
From: carol kirschenbaum
To: lit-ideas@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Thursday, June 03, 2010 5:16 PM
Subject: [lit-ideas] Re: Calley
Eric,
Carol K.,
currently debunking loyalty in Portland, Oregon
On Thu, Jun 3, 2010 at 1:00 PM, Eric Yost <mr.eric.yost@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
On 5/31/2010 9:47 PM, carol kirschenbaum wrote:
To what study do you refer, Eric?
The mass defection from authority sparked by an individual refusal is
described in the Yale University Open Course Intro to Psychology....the section
on morals and ethics. There are other variants; for example, people are more
likely to refuse orders given over telephone.
I believe it's here:
http://oyc.yale.edu/psychology/introduction-to-psychology/content/class-sessions
Lecture 15
To Mike: Chance Gardner is Jerzy Kosiński ... a dasein joke no doubt.
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