Well, I personally know some Mac users who don't use Windows really for anything anymore, but yes, that's completely beside the point. You and I reached the same conclusion, actually. I was merely agreeing with you.
Email: truthobjective@xxxxxxxxx AIM: msd4283 MSN: mark.driesenga@xxxxxxxx Skype: markdriesenga----- Original Message ----- From: "Lora" <loravara@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Sunday, April 27, 2008 1:53 AM Subject: RE: JAWS 9.0.2152, Not Impressed So Far
That's fine. I simply ask those who say that the Mac is better for everydaytasks to demonstrate it. I've used both, and find that for me, Windows is better. Professionally, there's no place for a Mac in my world, and personally, I haven't seen a use for one, either. Your mileage may vary, and I respect that. What I find ironic is that most of those who complain the loudest that the Macs are better are still steadfast Windows users.Perhaps I should be clear: it doesn't matter to me which computer you use, but if you want to berate Windows and JAWS, I simply suggest that this isn'tthe list for it. No, I'm not saying JAWS doesn't have bugs, or that Windows doesn't have bugs. Rather, I'm suggesting that trying to solve problems is more effective than wasting our time with pointless rants. And, it's true, I suppose I'd like a demonstration that a Mac would bebetter for my everyday work and home computing; at the moment I'm skeptical.I'll concede that such proof isn't best offered on this list, though. Others have had their responses to Brandon's outburst, though, an mine was simply: Fine, prove it. I suspect he won't, though.Sorry if you find my opinion disagreeable; it is only my opinion, but it ismy opinion. -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Mark Driesenga Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 3:10 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: JAWS 9.0.2152, Not Impressed So Far There are advantages and disadvantages to Windows and Mac. It depends on what you want to do. but, I've found personally that favoring one system over another isn't going to solve anything. JAWS is a great screen reader for Windows. Windows has its own accessibility issues as well, and trying to say one is better than the other is not going to get anyone anywhere. Email: truthobjective@xxxxxxxxx AIM: msd4283 MSN: mark.driesenga@xxxxxxxx Skype: markdriesenga ----- Original Message ----- From: "Lora" <loravara@xxxxxxxxxxx> To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 4:03 PM Subject: RE: JAWS 9.0.2152, Not Impressed So FarI agree with you, Karl. I get very tired of all the JAWS bashing, and the Windows bashing. If you think a Mac is better, go buy one, and try using it for all your every day tasks, from Email and word processing to surfing the Internet, designing Web pages and running virtual machines. If it works for you, wonderful; I've never found it to be all that good myself, and the recent improvements still demonstrate that they have a long way to go to achieve good accessibility with speech and Braille. As to technical support, every company I have called, whether it be a vendor of blindness products or for my router, PC or operating system, wants to know my serial number, license key or other identifying information that demonstrates that I'm a licensed user of their product. The reality is that companies, whether they are hardware or software manufacturers, and whether they are vendors of blindness products or more traditional vendors, are out to make money, and they have a right to do so. In this instance, if you were testing the demo of their product, just let them know that. I don't know if they'll still be as eager to call you, but don't right them off straight away. They may still be more interested in resolving the problem, but only time will tell. So Brandon, why haven't you switched to a Mac? And why, if you despise JAWS so much, are you still on the list? -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Karl Smith Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 1:38 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: RE: JAWS 9.0.2152, Not Impressed So Far You guys certainly have a right to your opinion but I don't see how you can expect a company to offer tech support to someone who has no current license. If you call any company for tech support the first thing they ask you, that is after your credit card number, is if you are running the latest version of their software. If not you're generally told to install it and call in the morning. Karl ____________________ Karl Smith Access Technology Specialist Axis 4304 South El Camino St. Taylorsville, Utah 84119 Phone: 866-824-7885 Fax: 866-824-7885 E-mail: karl@xxxxxxxxxxxx Life is one dumb thing after another....Love is two dumb things after each other. -----Original Message----- From: jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:jfw-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of James Scholes Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 12:32 PM To: jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: Re: JAWS 9.0.2152, Not Impressed So Far Hmm. Agree with you in everything, accept the MAC thing. I'll never use a MAC as my main computer in my life, yeah they're good, but I mean come on, they're not everything that people claim they are. For an example Brandon, if Edward Alonzo thinks Macs are so good, why does he still use his Windows machine for everything? brandon wrote: || that is absolute shit. || Fs is a bunch of fuck ups and I'll continue to slam them on my || podcast until either that fuckup erik resigns, or they close or go || under. || I'm sick of fs and their stupid little piss ass games with all of || us as registered jaws users. || We all need to switch to macs anyway and really make them go out of || business. || Brandon || ----- Original Message ----- || From: "Chris Hallsworth" <christopherhallsworth71@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx> || To: <jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> || Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2008 1:09 PM || Subject: FW: JAWS 9.0.2152, Not Impressed So Far || || ||| Hi all, here's a response I got off Freedom Scientific Technical ||| Support regarding the problems I discussed in the latest JAWS ||| update. It seems a bit strange, as I thought I was told that I ||| could contact Technical Support, even though I don't own a JAWSlicence?||| Could someone kindly correct me on this policy, and I'm slightly ||| embarrassed and ashamed and could do with some reassurance. I had ||| to reply to him and state that I was running it as a demo and ||| therefore I very much doubt they could help me further. ||| Thanks, and ||| now here's the message. ||| ||| -----Original Message----- ||| From: Bryan Carver [mailto:Bcarver@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] ||| Sent: Friday April 25 2008 9:19PM ||| To: christopherhallsworth71@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ||| Subject: RE: JAWS 9.0.2152, Not Impressed So Far ||| ||| Hi Christopher, ||| Thank you for your e-mail. I have looked you up in our records, ||| and show you with JAWS version 3.7. If possible, I would ||| appreciate it if you could provide me with your JAWS 9.0 serial ||| number. In addition, please provide me with your phone number, ||| and the best time to call, so the product manager Eric Damery and ||| myself can call and address your concerns. ||| If we could call ||| Monday morning, that would be ideal for us. I would also need to ||| know where you are located for calling purposes. ||| ||| ||| ||| Regards, ||| ||| Bryan Carver ||| Director of Technical Support ||| Freedom Scientific Inc. ||| ||| Phone: 800-444-4443 ||| Extension: 1062 ||| E-Mail: BryanC@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ||| ||| ||| ||| -----Original Message----- ||| ||| From: Webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx ||| [mailto:Webmaster@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx] ||| ||| Sent: Thursday, April 24, 2008 6:57 PM ||| ||| To: Freedom Scientific Technical Support ||| ||| Subject: JAWS 9.0.2152, Not Impressed So Far ||| ||| ||| ||| Name is = Christopher Hallsworth ||| ||| E-mail address is = christopherhallsworth71@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx ||| ||| Product = JAWS 9.0.2152 ||| ||| ||| ||| User subject description is = JAWS 9.0.2152, Not Impressed So Far ||| ||| ||| ||| Dear Sir/madam, ||| ||| I've just installed the latest build of JAWS 9, JAWS 9.0.2152, ||| running on ||| ||| an HP Compaq Presario C700 Notebook PC with Windows Vista Home ||| Premium. I ||| ||| wish to report two problems with this latest build, which were not ||| ||| introduced with previous builds of JAWS 9, including the recent ||| build ||| ||| (9.0.552). ||| ||| 1. Eloquence Software synthesizer: When I type, it sounds as if it ||| has ||| ||| some type of chorus affect. I can't really describe the effect, ||| but it's ||| ||| strange anyhow. It doesn't happen as much when I'm reading ||| something. ||| ||| 2. When I compose an HTML message using Outlook 2003, JAWS "grinds ||| to a ||| ||| halt" for a few seconds then starts talking again. This happens ||| when I ||| ||| type really fast. When I compose in plain text however, it's not ||| as ||| ||| sluggish, see below. ||| ||| 3. When I type in general, there appears to be a slight lag from ||| when I ||| ||| press a character on the keyboard to when JAWS announces what I've ||| ||| entered. ||| ||| Please note that these problems did not exist with all previous ||| builds of ||| ||| JAWS 9, including the recent build (9.0.552). ||| ||| Thanks in advance for taking these problems into consideration, ||| and I look ||| ||| forward to hearing from you. ||| ||| Yours Sincerely, ||| ||| Christopher Hallsworth ||| ||| ||| ||| ||| -- ||| JFW related links: ||| JFW homepage: http://www.freedomscientific.com/ Scripting mailing ||| list: ||| http://lists.the-jdh.com/listinfo.cgi/scriptography-the-jdh.com ||| JFW List instructions: ||| To post a message to the list, send it to jfw@xxxxxxxxxxxxx To ||| unsubscribe from this mailing list, send a message to ||| jfw-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with the word unsubscribe in the subject ||| line. 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