<flame> George, you hit the nail on the head about the disconnect between Cadence and real-world designers. Now, I'm an EE by trade, but I also do board layout and (in today's "do more with less" world) documentation. (We won't speculate as to the advisability of having your senior engineering staff spending their time fixing drawings...) I've always said that nobody in Cadence R&D has EVER had to put copper on fiberglass...they think that a file out the back end of their software is the end of the process. Look at all of the issues with negative planes, the inability to PROPERLY join multiple planes (AGND/DGND just for one example) and a whole host of other issues critical to making a board actually WORK as the engineer intended. I know that a bunch of the Cadence aps engineers ARE designers, and they whine about the same stuff (would you like some cheese to go with that whine, sir?) to no avail. All we can do is keep pounding on R&D and hope they listen...having them halfway around the world from the customers certainly won't help a bit! </flame> /s/jar (alan.ritter@xxxxxxxxxx) http://www.mtritter.org Bausch & Lomb 150 Years of Perfecting Vision, Enhancing Life (TM) EMAIL DISCLAIMER Please Note: The information contained in this message may be privileged and confidential, protected from disclosure, and/or intended only for the use of the individual or entity named above. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution, copying or other dissemination of this communication is strictly prohibited. If you received this communication in error, please immediately reply to the sender, delete the message and destroy all copies of it. Thank You ----------------------------------------------------------- To subscribe/unsubscribe: Send a message to icu-pcb-forum-request@xxxxxxxxxxxxx with a subject of subscribe or unsubscribe To view the archives of this list please login at //www.freelists.org. Our list name is icu-pcb-forum or go to //www.freelists.org/archives/icu-pcb-forum/ Problems or Questions: Send an email to icu-pcb-forum-admins@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Want to post a job listing ? DON'T DO IT HERE! Better yet, join our jobs listing forum. SUBSCRIBE: icu-jobs-forum-subscribe@xxxxxxxxxx POST: icu-jobs-forum@xxxxxxxxxx -----------------------------------------------------------