[openbeos] Re: Site Audit
- From: "Karl vom Dorff" <karl@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: openbeos@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 17:16:16 -0400
On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 5:00 PM, Schrijvers Luc <Begasus@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> On za, 2008-10-11 at 17:46 -0300, Dennis d'Entremont wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Schrijvers Luc <Begasus@xxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> >
> > On za, 2008-10-11 at 15:59 -0400, Karl vom Dorff wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Schrijvers Luc
> > <Begasus@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > wrote:
> > > On za, 2008-10-11 at 13:56 -0400, Karl vom Dorff
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 7:27 AM, Oliver Ruiz
> > Dorantes
> > > > <oliver.ruiz.dorantes@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Amazing work Karl,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I am sure many of us had this idea in
> > mind. In fact
> > > I worked
> > > > in some zoho formularies which people
> > could submit
> > > wanted
> > > > applications and other could post
> > something like a
> > > url mirror.
> > > > To "save" the application. Maybe this can
> > be added
> > > in
> > > > Haikuware somehow Karl?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Not sure I understand what you mean... I want to
> > try to get
> > > away from
> > > > people submitting their own mirrors and links to
> > files. If
> > > everything
> > > > is all in one place, even if it goes down, it
> > would be a lot
> > > easier to
> > > > retrieve than if files are scattered all over the
> > web.
> > > >
> > > > Some Comments:
> > > >
> > > > - I hope in your SPIDER-WEB manual job you
> > also
> > > retrieved all
> > > > possible sources. Even if the app is zeta
> > only or is
> > > old, the
> > > > application can be ported and updated
> > somewhere in
> > > time.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I didn't. I didn't download or add Zeta apps
> > because Zeta is
> > > dead.
> > >
> > >
> > > I can't get it why you have to remove the ZETA apps?
> > ZETA
> > > dead ... you
> > > are right there ... it has no future and is not
> > developped ...
> > > but that
> > > goes for R5 too, are you removing R5 downloads also
> > then?
> > > Your reasons for not adding them don't add up ...
> > >
> > > It's purely logical. Haiku is meant to be binary compatible
> > with BeOS
> > > R5 NOT Zeta. Therefore Zeta applications are dead and have
> > no future
> > > (many requiring libzeta).
> > >
> >
> I agree with Karl's reasoning on this. If there are ports that work on
> Haiku then they could be included.
>
> There is no mention of that anyware ...
> qoute:
> "I didn't. I didn't download or add Zeta apps because Zeta is dead."
>
> Again ... you did! Freeciv is not running on R5, offialy on ZETA only
> (but should run on R5 BONE also - never checked here). So far for
> checking ...
I didn't physically check but read this:
"Running on ZETA (should run on BONE also due to the use of the network
client - not supported by libnet in plain R5)."
I asked Haiku developers long ago, which software should be compatible with
Haiku, the normal R5 netstack or bone? They said either should be fine, so
that's why I added this software because it said 'should run on R5 BONE.
>
>
> > Haiku compiled apps wont even run in R5 nor ZETA, ZETA
> > compiled apps
> > (when not linked against libzeta) can run on R5, Haiku and
> > ZETA ...
> > Furthermore ... one of the things like the network is probably
> > more
> > compatible with ZETA then it is with R5 ...
> >
> > where is the problem there?
> > >
> > >
> > > Another thing I'm having a bit of a problem with is
> > the fact
> > > that you
> > > host files on haikuware that are activaly being
> > > maintained/ported by
> > > others, you are using screenshots that you copy'd
> > from the
> > > original
> > > place etc.
> > >
> > > Sure, I don't have time to take 2000+ screenshots. It should
> > look the
> > > same way on BeOS as it does on Haiku if the application is
> > to be
> > > binary compatible, that's why I used any screenshots that
> > were already
> > > available.
> > >
> >
> > I'm not even that upset about the screenshots as I am about
> > the fact
> > that you host files that are hosted on the porters site
> > themselves.
> > Most people know that I'm doing ports for BeOS/ZETA/Haiku .. I
> > try not
> > to make any differance when I'm compiling .. but sometimes it
> > just takes
> > ZETA to be able to compile the thing.
> > I am also trying to go with Haiku as much as I can, as both R5
> > and ZETA
> > have no future anymore ... but I still keep in mind that there
> > are still
> > quite a number of people around using those 2 OS's.
> >
> > Yes but Haikuware is centered on Haiku not R5 or Zeta.
> >
>
> K but why host R5 files then?
> >
> >
> > You can host the files in case of a website going down, but
> > further then
> > that it's good policy to link to the other hosting pages.
> > The tuxpaint port is also hosted on Bill's own page ... the
> > port I made
> > is linked to that one so he can also check what files are
> > downloaded and
> > wich os's are still interesting for him (he asked me for the
> > port to put
> > up there).
> > >
> > >
> > > Don't get me wrong .. the idea behind it all is a
> > good one ..
> > > but you
> > > should've asked around a bit 'before' you added
> > BeBits
> > > contents over.
> > > Some of the ports are even older on haikuware then
> > the actual
> > > release at
> > > the moment on BeBits and the original port (freeciv
> > for one).
> > >
> > > True, but very few. I started the project 8 months ago. In
> > that time
> > > some of the applications that I already submitted, may have
> > been
> > > updated in the meantime (i.e FireFox, Thunderbid). I'll have
> > to review
> > > this. Help is welcome, thanks for noting that application.
> > >
> >
> > It wasn't hard to notice ... it is one of the ports I am
> > active in in
> > doing the ports and submitting patches back to their repo ...
> > >
> > So you host the download for Firefox, Thunderbird etc also?
> > Did you even
> > get in touch with the developers ... maybe they have a
> > counting system
> > or something to check the downloads for those files? What if
> > the
> > download for those files stop when everyone is using yours
> > (even though
> > a newer is online?). A guy could loose interest when there is
> > no
> > download for the stuff he is doing ...
> >
> > There's nothing stopping someone from taking one of these files and
> > putting it up on BeBits or anywhere else so what does it matter if
> > it's on Haikuware?
>
> They have been put up on BeBits by the maintainers ... it's not the same
> as downloading them and hosting them on another place ...
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Also, I didn't download sources. There are very
> > few sources
> > > > available. I thought long and hard about this one.
> > I don't
> > > want
> > > > Haikuware to become a repository for source code.
> > It would
> > > demand too
> > > > much I think for the way the website would be
> > managed, and
> > > OSDrawer
> > > > already does a good job in this respect.
> >
> >
> > That is indeed something I agree on .. hosting sources is
> > greatly done
> > by OSDrawer and haikuports at the moment ...
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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