[openbeos] Re: Site Audit
- From: Schrijvers Luc <Begasus@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: openbeos@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 23:06:55 +0200
On za, 2008-10-11 at 23:00 +0200, Schrijvers Luc wrote:
> On za, 2008-10-11 at 17:46 -0300, Dennis d'Entremont wrote:
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 5:41 PM, Schrijvers Luc <Begasus@xxxxxxxxx>
> > wrote:
> >
> > On za, 2008-10-11 at 15:59 -0400, Karl vom Dorff wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 3:41 PM, Schrijvers Luc
> > <Begasus@xxxxxxxxx>
> > > wrote:
> > > On za, 2008-10-11 at 13:56 -0400, Karl vom Dorff
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 7:27 AM, Oliver Ruiz
> > Dorantes
> > > > <oliver.ruiz.dorantes@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Amazing work Karl,
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I am sure many of us had this idea in
> > mind. In fact
> > > I worked
> > > > in some zoho formularies which people
> > could submit
> > > wanted
> > > > applications and other could post
> > something like a
> > > url mirror.
> > > > To "save" the application. Maybe this can
> > be added
> > > in
> > > > Haikuware somehow Karl?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Not sure I understand what you mean... I want to
> > try to get
> > > away from
> > > > people submitting their own mirrors and links to
> > files. If
> > > everything
> > > > is all in one place, even if it goes down, it
> > would be a lot
> > > easier to
> > > > retrieve than if files are scattered all over the
> > web.
> > > >
> > > > Some Comments:
> > > >
> > > > - I hope in your SPIDER-WEB manual job you
> > also
> > > retrieved all
> > > > possible sources. Even if the app is zeta
> > only or is
> > > old, the
> > > > application can be ported and updated
> > somewhere in
> > > time.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I didn't. I didn't download or add Zeta apps
> > because Zeta is
> > > dead.
> > >
> > >
> > > I can't get it why you have to remove the ZETA apps?
> > ZETA
> > > dead ... you
> > > are right there ... it has no future and is not
> > developped ...
> > > but that
> > > goes for R5 too, are you removing R5 downloads also
> > then?
> > > Your reasons for not adding them don't add up ...
> > >
> > > It's purely logical. Haiku is meant to be binary compatible
> > with BeOS
> > > R5 NOT Zeta. Therefore Zeta applications are dead and have
> > no future
> > > (many requiring libzeta).
> > >
> >
> I agree with Karl's reasoning on this. If there are ports that work on
> Haiku then they could be included.
>
> There is no mention of that anyware ...
> qoute:
> "I didn't. I didn't download or add Zeta apps because Zeta is dead."
>
> Again ... you did! Freeciv is not running on R5, offialy on ZETA only
> (but should run on R5 BONE also - never checked here). So far for
> checking ...
Small update on the Freeciv thing ... there's nothing to stop it from
compiling in Haiku .. just needs to be linked against libnetwork instead
of libbind and libsocket
>
> > Haiku compiled apps wont even run in R5 nor ZETA, ZETA
> > compiled apps
> > (when not linked against libzeta) can run on R5, Haiku and
> > ZETA ...
> > Furthermore ... one of the things like the network is probably
> > more
> > compatible with ZETA then it is with R5 ...
> >
> > where is the problem there?
> > >
> > >
> > > Another thing I'm having a bit of a problem with is
> > the fact
> > > that you
> > > host files on haikuware that are activaly being
> > > maintained/ported by
> > > others, you are using screenshots that you copy'd
> > from the
> > > original
> > > place etc.
> > >
> > > Sure, I don't have time to take 2000+ screenshots. It should
> > look the
> > > same way on BeOS as it does on Haiku if the application is
> > to be
> > > binary compatible, that's why I used any screenshots that
> > were already
> > > available.
> > >
> >
> > I'm not even that upset about the screenshots as I am about
> > the fact
> > that you host files that are hosted on the porters site
> > themselves.
> > Most people know that I'm doing ports for BeOS/ZETA/Haiku .. I
> > try not
> > to make any differance when I'm compiling .. but sometimes it
> > just takes
> > ZETA to be able to compile the thing.
> > I am also trying to go with Haiku as much as I can, as both R5
> > and ZETA
> > have no future anymore ... but I still keep in mind that there
> > are still
> > quite a number of people around using those 2 OS's.
> >
> > Yes but Haikuware is centered on Haiku not R5 or Zeta.
> >
>
> K but why host R5 files then?
> >
> >
> > You can host the files in case of a website going down, but
> > further then
> > that it's good policy to link to the other hosting pages.
> > The tuxpaint port is also hosted on Bill's own page ... the
> > port I made
> > is linked to that one so he can also check what files are
> > downloaded and
> > wich os's are still interesting for him (he asked me for the
> > port to put
> > up there).
> > >
> > >
> > > Don't get me wrong .. the idea behind it all is a
> > good one ..
> > > but you
> > > should've asked around a bit 'before' you added
> > BeBits
> > > contents over.
> > > Some of the ports are even older on haikuware then
> > the actual
> > > release at
> > > the moment on BeBits and the original port (freeciv
> > for one).
> > >
> > > True, but very few. I started the project 8 months ago. In
> > that time
> > > some of the applications that I already submitted, may have
> > been
> > > updated in the meantime (i.e FireFox, Thunderbid). I'll have
> > to review
> > > this. Help is welcome, thanks for noting that application.
> > >
> >
> > It wasn't hard to notice ... it is one of the ports I am
> > active in in
> > doing the ports and submitting patches back to their repo ...
> > >
> > So you host the download for Firefox, Thunderbird etc also?
> > Did you even
> > get in touch with the developers ... maybe they have a
> > counting system
> > or something to check the downloads for those files? What if
> > the
> > download for those files stop when everyone is using yours
> > (even though
> > a newer is online?). A guy could loose interest when there is
> > no
> > download for the stuff he is doing ...
> >
> > There's nothing stopping someone from taking one of these files and
> > putting it up on BeBits or anywhere else so what does it matter if
> > it's on Haikuware?
>
> They have been put up on BeBits by the maintainers ... it's not the same
> as downloading them and hosting them on another place ...
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > Also, I didn't download sources. There are very
> > few sources
> > > > available. I thought long and hard about this one.
> > I don't
> > > want
> > > > Haikuware to become a repository for source code.
> > It would
> > > demand too
> > > > much I think for the way the website would be
> > managed, and
> > > OSDrawer
> > > > already does a good job in this respect.
> >
> >
> > That is indeed something I agree on .. hosting sources is
> > greatly done
> > by OSDrawer and haikuports at the moment ...
> >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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