[openbeos] Re: Site Audit
- From: Schrijvers Luc <Begasus@xxxxxxxxx>
- To: openbeos@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Sat, 11 Oct 2008 21:41:51 +0200
On za, 2008-10-11 at 13:56 -0400, Karl vom Dorff wrote:
>
>
> On Sat, Oct 11, 2008 at 7:27 AM, Oliver Ruiz Dorantes
> <oliver.ruiz.dorantes@xxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
> Amazing work Karl,
>
>
> I am sure many of us had this idea in mind. In fact I worked
> in some zoho formularies which people could submit wanted
> applications and other could post something like a url mirror.
> To "save" the application. Maybe this can be added in
> Haikuware somehow Karl?
>
>
>
> Not sure I understand what you mean... I want to try to get away from
> people submitting their own mirrors and links to files. If everything
> is all in one place, even if it goes down, it would be a lot easier to
> retrieve than if files are scattered all over the web.
>
> Some Comments:
>
> - I hope in your SPIDER-WEB manual job you also retrieved all
> possible sources. Even if the app is zeta only or is old, the
> application can be ported and updated somewhere in time.
>
>
> I didn't. I didn't download or add Zeta apps because Zeta is dead.
I can't get it why you have to remove the ZETA apps? ZETA dead ... you
are right there ... it has no future and is not developped ... but that
goes for R5 too, are you removing R5 downloads also then?
Your reasons for not adding them don't add up ...
Another thing I'm having a bit of a problem with is the fact that you
host files on haikuware that are activaly being maintained/ported by
others, you are using screenshots that you copy'd from the original
place etc.
Don't get me wrong .. the idea behind it all is a good one .. but you
should've asked around a bit 'before' you added BeBits contents over.
Some of the ports are even older on haikuware then the actual release at
the moment on BeBits and the original port (freeciv for one).
> Also, I didn't download sources. There are very few sources
> available. I thought long and hard about this one. I don't want
> Haikuware to become a repository for source code. It would demand too
> much I think for the way the website would be managed, and OSDrawer
> already does a good job in this respect. I looked at download.com,
> VersionTracker, and several other big software websites; none of them
> host sources.
>
> Sources are easy enough to find though. If they did exist, that meant
> the software existed either on BeBits or the developer's homepage. I
> still have the links posted on Haikuware to every author's website
> that submitted their website with the software to BeBits.
>
> - The list and this anouncement must be public. The list in
> plan txt(as requested) might help to search in our personal
> entire archive. I might be able to do something automatic with
> that saving in cvs might to most of the work. In my company
> they are excel genious. And then a easy script bash script if
> the a given archive path, constains somethe that is present in
> that TXt file. As apps are getting recovered they could be
> marked as it is and, i guess seeing this motivates people to
> submit their files.
>
>
>
> I tried to make the list public here... Meanwhile made an easy list
> here:
>
> http://www.xs4all.nl/~rrvvww/haikuwareABC.txt
>
> But the easiest way would be for me to invite you to the GoogleDoc,
> that way, as a collaborator we all have access to the same file, and
> can edit the file, i.e delete missing files off of the spreadsheet
> once they're found.
>
> - How do we make you arrive the files? I just have a webdav
> account in gmx which i could share but others? anyone with a
> ftp to be able to drop the files?
>
>
>
> Anyone with a Haikuware account can upload missing files via the
> online web interface...
>
> http://www.haikuware.com/upload
>
> Alternatively, I've opened an anonymous FTP folder. Just ftp to
> haikuware.com and drop anything you may have in the incoming folder
> (500 mb quota).
>
> Proposal: declare something like a "beshare sharing week"
> where all comunity shares its archive. Therefore Karl and
> other individuals could complete the "Target app database"
>
>
>
> Excellent idea!
>
> - An App its not safe with only the binary, at the time Haiku
> switches to gcc4 that app would be old, and lost as could not
> be used anymore. So now might be a good chance to beg for
> opensourcing, submit binary and src, to ensure the app is
> alive forever.
>
> Vamos!!
>
> 2008/10/11 Schrijvers Luc <Begasus@xxxxxxxxx>
>
>
> Is BeBits going down?!
>
> On vr, 2008-10-10 at 14:59 -0400, Karl vom Dorff
> wrote:
> > Dear Community,
> >
> > It's probably no surprise to many of you (as you see
> the number of
> > files on Haikuware increase) that I've been spending
> the last while
> > auditing BeBits.
> >
> > I think it's important to have a software base ready
> for when Haiku's
> > ready, and if users have to deal with the vast
> amount of missing
> > software at BeBits where ~35% (conservative
> estimate) of the files are
> > missing, they will surely get frustrated! Some may
> argue, why bother?
> > The software is old! To them I would say - old
> software doesn't
> > necessarily equate to bad software... Also, imagine
> if BeBits were
> > gone tomorrow. That would be a great loss.
> >
> > To make a long story short, here's what I've been
> doing:
> >
> > * downloading all available files. When there
> was missing
> > software, I would check against the file
> name at: a) BeShare
> > b) Archive.org c) Google d) Check the
> Talkback comments for
> > links. In short, if the missing files were
> available somewhere
> > on the net, they have to be hiding pretty
> good...
> > * importing the files, descriptions, dates,
> icons, etc. Adding
> > archived links to author homepages if they
> disappeared, etc.
> > * centralizing all the files on one server
> (later to be mirrored
> > in Europe and Asia) so that the infamous
> BeBits 'missing
> > file/dead link' never happens again.
> > * linking files only to one category. BeBits
> is confusing and
> > misleading because files are listed in
> multiple categories
> > (artificially inflating the file counts in
> each category. e.g
> > total file count listed on their frontpage
> when adding all
> > together = 6500, actual files = 3535). So
> when you're browsing
> > software, you don't know whether you've
> already passed by the
> > file you're looking at or not therefore
> wasting time. Not to
> > mention wasting time finding a link that
> works or visiting
> > unwelcomed porn sites hehe.
> > * removed Zeta software.
> >
> > I'm 90% complete the task, and will be spending the
> next 2-3 weeks
> > finishing. BeBits lists 3535 'files' on their
> website, of which I
> > estimate 35% are gone (= 2298 actual files). Today I
> uploaded the
> > 2222nd file to Haikuware, meaning very shortly,
> Haikuware may be the
> > largest (but not most popular) online provider of
> BeOS (and Haiku if
> > Haiku R1 achieves binary compatibilty) software (and
> maybe retro
> > software in general)... But that's not really the
> point.
> >
> > The point is, I'd like to salvage as much BeOS
> software as possible.
> > I'd like to ask the community to contribute any
> missing files (that
> > I'm sure they have on CDs in their basements) my
> way, so I can fill
> > the missing gaps. I've tried to keep a record
> (sometimes GoogleDocs
> > crashed on me) of the missing files, and for the
> most part, should be
> > pretty complete. You can view the documents here (in
> XLS, ODF):
> >
> >
> http://www.haikuware.com/downloads/registered/haikuware.zip
> >
> > Although I would hope most people see this endeavour
> as a good thing,
> > I can appreciate that some developers may not like
> their software
> > hosted at Haikuware. Please contact me, and I'll
> remove whatever you
> > wish.
> >
> > Lastly, I know the design of Haikuware lacks in
> function, speed, and
> > aesthetics (compared to BeBits). Once I'm done with
> all the files,
> > I'll be re-designing the website and hope to have it
> ready for the
> > Alpha 1 release. I'm looking at an RoR design
> perhaps. Something that
> > will be able to stand a huge database and lots of
> traffic. I'm also
> > looking to create a unique website that will combine
> the best parts of
> > VersionTracker, BeBits, Download.com, etc.
> Therefore, if anyone can
> > recommend a good developer/team or has any
> suggestions I'd be
> > greatful. Also, if anyone here thinks they may be up
> to this task (I'd
> > like to keep the work in the community if possible),
> contact me
> > privately with your resume. It has to be someone
> with serious
> > credentials (not a Joomla hacker like me) with 6-8
> weeks of full-time
> > labour. A full proposal is in the works, and will
> probably be 20-30
> > pages. Ask for my budget - serious enquiries only
> please.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Karl vom Dorff
> > B.Sc (Hons) Biology, (German minor)
> >
> > http://www.karlvd.com
> > http://www.clubloreley.org
> > http://www.haikuware.com
> >
> >
>
>
>
>
>
>
> --
> Oliver,
>
> http://urnenfeld.blogspot.com
>
>
>
>
> --
> Karl vom Dorff
> B.Sc (Hons) Biology, (German minor)
>
> http://www.karlvd.com
> http://www.clubloreley.org
> http://www.haikuware.com
>
>
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