[gps-talkusers] Re: Preview of Sendero GPS LookAround 1.1
- From: "Baracco, Andrew W" <Andrew.Baracco@xxxxxx>
- To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- Date: Fri, 15 Oct 2010 09:49:58 -0700
My wife has a Garmin Nuvi. It is small enough to carry around, and has
several modes, including bicycle and pedestrian. She is partially
sighted, and has no problems seeing the display, but the display is a
flat touch screen, and is not accessible without sight.
Andy
-----Original Message-----
From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
[mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Alice Dampman
Humel
Sent: Friday, October 15, 2010 4:37 AM
To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Preview of Sendero GPS LookAround 1.1
Hi, Kevin and all,
I was in a car the other day. The driver was using a Garmon. It was
fantastic. It said, "in 500 yards, turn left onto Main Street." Simple,
clear, concise, easy to follow. The driver also tole me that she felt
the
POI searches were great, too.
Anyone seen this? All the GPS's I've heard up till now have always
only
said "in 500 yards turn right " without identifying the streets. Of
course,
we'd also need the GPS to tell us when we hit Main Street, but this
Garmon
semed to do that, too. Wonder if it's accurate enough for walking and
for
blind people who can't read the street signs?
Alice
alicedh@xxxxxxxxxxx
----- Original Message -----
From: "Kevin Chao" <kevinchao89@xxxxxxxxx>
To: <gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Sent: Wednesday, October 13, 2010 12:43 AM
Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Preview of Sendero GPS LookAround 1.1
> Mike and All,
> Yes, you can enter an address in TomTom, but Navigon is more ahead in
> accessibility and has moreVoiceOver users, which has resulted in
> accessibility refinements and will result in more. Agree about having
> multiple GPS as they use different maps, which is why Skobbler is
> great as it is free and uses OpenStreetMap, which none of these use.
> TomTom does own TeleAtlas and Nokia does own NavTeq.
> Do recommend Navigon over TomTom.
> Kevin
> http://twitter.com/kevinchao89
> On 10/12/10, Mike Arrigo <n0oxy@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>> What can you do in the tom tom app? Can you at least enter a
destination?
>> I
>> may purchase it if that can be done. Kapten GPS is very accessible
also,
>> but
>> I don't think the voice guidance is as good. The Magellan app isn't
even
>> compatible with IOS 4 yet. I'm actually surprised Garmin has not
>> developed
>> an iphone app. The one advantage to having a few different apps is
that
>> it
>> can be good to have an app from each map provider. Navigon uses the
>> navteq
>> maps, and I think the kapten GPS does too. Tom tom uses teleatlas.
>> Actually
>> Tom Tom owns teleatlas now I think, and Nokia owns navteq.
>> On Oct 12, 2010, at 7:47 PM, Kevin Chao wrote:
>>
>>> TomTom is somewhat accessible. navigon is by far the best in that it
>>> gives you intersection information, spoken street names etc.
Skobbler
>>> doesn't have spoken street names, intersection information, but is
>>> free and gives directions. AroundMe or Where are great for searching
>>> for POIs based on categories, names etc. Where has benefit of social
>>> aspect, which also uses crowd source to get reviews, check ins,
>>> ratings, gas prices etc.
>>> Great thing with these various companies is they are very receptive
to
>>> feedback, especially Navigon, TomTom and Skobbler, all whom I have
>>> provided feedback.
>>> Kevin
>>> http://twitter.com/kevinchao89
>>>
>>> On 10/12/10, Mike Arrigo <n0oxy@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>>>> I can type decently on my iphone, but I am faster on a keypad, no
doubt
>>>> about that. I actually got an unlocked iphone and I use it with
>>>> t-mobile.
>>>> Apple knows how to put out some unique products, but I have no idea
>>>> what
>>>> they were thinking when they got in to this exclusive at&t deal, I
>>>> mean,
>>>> if
>>>> a carrier is going to subsidize a phone, that's fine, but to refuse
to
>>>> sell
>>>> the phone unlocked in this country makes no sense whatsoever.
>>>> Fortunately,
>>>> they are available unlocked via import. I've been testing some GPS
>>>> apps,
>>>> so
>>>> far, the best one seems to be the navigon app. The kapten GPS app
is
>>>> also
>>>> good. I'm pretty sure that a combination of the sendero look around
app
>>>> and
>>>> the navigon app will give me the features I use with mobile geo on
my
>>>> windows mobile phone. Of course, you can't virtually explore the
map
>>>> with
>>>> this combination, but I never use that anyway. Another accessible
app
>>>> is
>>>> called motion GPS drive, it's accessible, but the voice directions
>>>> don't
>>>> say
>>>> the street names. There'
>>>> s another one called copilot, but it's completely inaccessible with
>>>> voiceover. I've also heard that the tomtom and magellan apps are
also
>>>> inaccessible, does ayone know if this is true?
>>>> On Oct 11, 2010, at 10:05 PM, Michael May wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> This is a very relevant topic for everyone.
>>>>> The writing aspect of the iPhone is its weakest link. Every piece
of
>>>>> technology has its trade offs and this is the issue with the
iPhone.
>>>>> Like all trade offs, there are some work arounds. You will get
better
>>>>> at
>>>>> writing with practice, not without some frustration. How good you
get
>>>>> really depends. Some people are quite fast with the touch screen
>>>>> keyboard.
>>>>> Others hate it. I personally fall somewhere in between. I am still
way
>>>>> faster texting on a keypad on the N86 than I am writing a text
message
>>>>> on
>>>>> the iPhone. Forget about writing any long emails.
>>>>>
>>>>> You can also acquire an external wireless keyboard to use for
writing.
>>>>> You
>>>>> can also interface with the Apex and other Braille devices. I find
>>>>> this
>>>>> the most exciting combination. It is very cool to be able to read
>>>>> everything that the iPhone speaks on the Apex Braille display and
then
>>>>> to
>>>>> be able to respond to emails using the Apex keyboard.
>>>>>
>>>>> I consider the iPhone my media center and my N86 my phone for
calls
>>>>> and
>>>>> text messages. It is kind of expensive to have two phone lines so
I
>>>>> will
>>>>> eventually bite the bullet and probably use the iPhone. Just don't
>>>>> expect
>>>>> prompt text messages from me if you write.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> From: gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> [mailto:gps-talkusers-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of GianniP46
>>>>> Sent: Saturday, October 09, 2010 2:33 PM
>>>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Re: Preview of Sendero GPS LookAround 1.1
>>>>>
>>>>> Hey Guys,
>>>>> I know this is off topic, but can someone who is using the IPhone
>>>>> email
>>>>> me
>>>>> off list?. I am contemplating getting one, but I am nervous about
the
>>>>> touch screen interface. Is texting and dialing really that
efficient
>>>>> with
>>>>> out buttons? Or am I better off with a nokia n82 or E 73?
>>>>> My email address is
>>>>> giannip46@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>> ----- Original Message -----
>>>>> From: Michael May
>>>>> To: gps-talkusers@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> Sent: Friday, October 08, 2010 7:40 PM
>>>>> Subject: [gps-talkusers] Preview of Sendero GPS LookAround 1.1
>>>>>
>>>>> We sent this updated version to Apple today. I hope it is posted
>>>>> within
>>>>> 3
>>>>> or
>>>>> 4 days. Not sure if the weekend impacts these things.
>>>>>
>>>>> As you will soon see, we fixed the bugs having to do with the
saving
>>>>> of
>>>>> settings and the country selection.
>>>>> We added the ability to select a POI category and to dial the POI
>>>>> phone
>>>>> number.
>>>>>
>>>>> We will have another round of small improvements after this
version
>>>>> gets
>>>>> the
>>>>> real world test.
>>>>> Mike
>>>>>
>>>>> Sendero GPS LookAround, Version 1.1 Documentation
>>>>>
>>>>> Sendero GPS LookAround for the iPhone is available in the app
store.
>>>>> It
>>>>> works with the iPhone 3GS and higher. It will not function with
the
>>>>> iPod.
>>>>> No
>>>>> telephone support is available from Sendero Group. There is no
>>>>> turn-by-turn
>>>>> navigation information in Sendero LookAround for the iPhone. There
are
>>>>> 5
>>>>> applications powered by Sendero GPS on other platforms, which have
>>>>> comprehensive navigation features. For information on these
products,
>>>>> visit
>>>>> http://www.AccessibleGPS.com
>>>>>
>>>>> To use Sendero GPS LookAround:
>>>>>
>>>>> Touch the Sendero GPS icon to launch the application. You will be
>>>>> presented
>>>>> with a disclaimer. Touch the OK Button to accept the disclaimer.
Also,
>>>>> touch
>>>>> the OK Button when asked if it is ok to use your current location.
If
>>>>> there
>>>>> is compass interference, you may find that touching the OK button
does
>>>>> not
>>>>> work at first. Read the screen to see if there is an error
message.
>>>>> Wave
>>>>> the
>>>>> phone in a figure eight motion to clear the compass message if
>>>>> necessary.
>>>>>
>>>>> To receive the LookAround information, shake the iPhone until you
feel
>>>>> a
>>>>> vibration and hear a swishing sound. It may take from 5 to 30
seconds
>>>>> depending on the point of interest data location. The swish will
give
>>>>> you
>>>>> a
>>>>> progress indication every 3 seconds. Once you move positions and
want
>>>>> to
>>>>> "Look around" again, shake the iPhone to receive new information.
>>>>> Remember
>>>>> when you press Home and leave the application and then launch it
>>>>> again,
>>>>> the
>>>>> previous information may still be on the screen. Shake again to
get
>>>>> new
>>>>> information.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you don't hear anything several seconds after shaking the
phone,
>>>>> touch
>>>>> the top of the screen to hear what is being displayed. Perhaps the
>>>>> information wasn't spoken, the request timed out or there is no
GPS
>>>>> position, in which case you may hear, "Limited position data.
Change
>>>>> location and try again."
>>>>>
>>>>> Once you have launched Sendero GPS LookAround, a shake of the
iPhone
>>>>> will
>>>>> cause LookAround to display the current Heading, street, city,
cross
>>>>> street
>>>>> and nearest point of interest based on the POI category you have
>>>>> chosen
>>>>> under settings. It defaults to the Restaurant category. Note the
>>>>> Variety
>>>>> category is a combination of 8 categories containing the letter E
such
>>>>> as
>>>>> restaurant and hotel. Searching 8 categories at once may cause the
app
>>>>> to
>>>>> time-out more frequently.
>>>>>
>>>>> The main screen is laid out with output text displayed toward the
top
>>>>> of
>>>>> the
>>>>> screen with 3 long buttons in the lower half of the screen, one
above
>>>>> the
>>>>> other. There are 5 small buttons evenly spaced across the bottom
of
>>>>> the
>>>>> screen. Don't tap too hard when activating these buttons as you
may
>>>>> trigger
>>>>> the iPhone shake feature.
>>>>>
>>>>> The 3 main buttons are:
>>>>> 1. Where Am I button:
>>>>> The first long button is the Where Am I button, which announces
>>>>> heading,
>>>>> nearest address and city. You receive a vibration and beep after
>>>>> activating
>>>>> it.
>>>>>
>>>>> The LookAround software makes its best guess as to which street
you
>>>>> are
>>>>> on
>>>>> and which is the cross street. Many positioning factors go into
>>>>> whether
>>>>> this
>>>>> information is correct. This may be particularly problematic if
you
>>>>> are
>>>>> inside or among tall buildings. This is because of your distance
away
>>>>> from
>>>>> the street and because the positioning indoors is worse than it is
>>>>> outdoors
>>>>> and out in the open.
>>>>>
>>>>> 2. Nearest Cross Street Button:
>>>>> This is the second of the 3 long buttons. It announces the nearest
>>>>> street
>>>>> and cross street. Again, this refers to the nearest street and not
>>>>> necessarily the one ahead in your direction of travel. If you are
at
>>>>> an
>>>>> intersection, it is common for GPS systems to get confused as to
which
>>>>> street you are on versus which one is the cross street. A
vibration
>>>>> and
>>>>> beep
>>>>> will confirm that you activated this button.
>>>>>
>>>>> 3. Nearest 5 Points of Interest button:
>>>>> Whereas the Shake gives you the nearest single point of interest,
this
>>>>> POI
>>>>> button displays up to 5 nearby points of interest in the category
you
>>>>> choose
>>>>> under Settings. The search goes out to 2 kilometers, 1.24 miles.
These
>>>>> points are based on proximity, 360 degrees around you. A vibration
and
>>>>> beep
>>>>> will confirm that you activated this button. A swish every 3
seconds
>>>>> will
>>>>> indicate that a search is in progress.
>>>>> Note: You can hear the distance to these various items in feet,
yards
>>>>> or
>>>>> meters. The default is Yards. This can be changed under the
Settings
>>>>> menu.
>>>>>
>>>>> Once POIs are found, a list will be shown in a separate screen
with
>>>>> the
>>>>> name
>>>>> of the POI followed by the distance and compass direction to that
POI.
>>>>> These
>>>>> are buttons you can click on to receive more details like the
address
>>>>> and
>>>>> phone number. Click on the phone number to call that business. A
Call
>>>>> or
>>>>> Cancel button will then be presented. The Back button will take
you to
>>>>> the
>>>>> POI list. If you do call the business, you will be taken to the
phone
>>>>> application and will need to launch LookAround again. It will of
>>>>> course
>>>>> be
>>>>> in the task switching list.
>>>>>
>>>>> The 5 buttons across the bottom of the iPhone main LookAround
screen
>>>>> from
>>>>> left to right are as follows: There is a beep after the touch of
each
>>>>> button. There is no vibration.
>>>>> 1. The Map button takes you to Google maps and a push-pin is
displayed
>>>>> on the screen to indicate your position. Voice Over will not
announce
>>>>> any
>>>>> of
>>>>> the map information. Press the Back Button to exit the Map and
return
>>>>> to
>>>>> the
>>>>> main screen.
>>>>> 2. The Compass button will indicate which direction the iPhone is
>>>>> facing if there is no compass interference, which may come from
nearby
>>>>> electronics or magnetic forces. Once you have changed direction
with
>>>>> the
>>>>> phone, touch the Compass button. Once you receive the confirming
beep,
>>>>> the
>>>>> new compass direction should be spoken. If not, touch the top of
the
>>>>> screen
>>>>> to hear the text output. If you are told there is compass
>>>>> interference,
>>>>> slowly move the phone in a figure eight shape while it is laying
flat.
>>>>> When
>>>>> the interference goes away, the error will disappear from the
screen.
>>>>> 3. Shake on/off toggle button. If you hear Shake On button, this
means
>>>>> the Shake feature is enabled as described above. The purpose of
this
>>>>> toggle
>>>>> is so you can turn the shake feature off when you place the phone
in
>>>>> your
>>>>> pocket or bag without closing the LookAround application. Normal
>>>>> walking
>>>>> will tend to make the phone shake inadvertently and keep talking
>>>>> unless
>>>>> you
>>>>> switch off the Shake feature. Alternatively, press the power
button on
>>>>> the
>>>>> top of the phone briefly to lock the screen temporarily. You will
need
>>>>> to
>>>>> unlock the screen before LookAround will function again.
>>>>> 4. The Setting button will open another screen with a list of
options
>>>>> such as Shake on and off, Country, Metric/Imperial distance units
and
>>>>> Help.
>>>>> The item which is enabled will say "selected."
>>>>> The POI Category Button, which has a flag icon, takes you to a
list of
>>>>> categories. There is a Picker list. Voice Over users can swipe up
and
>>>>> down
>>>>> to change the category. Press the Back Button to return to the
main
>>>>> screen
>>>>> and your new POI category will be used when you shake the phone or
>>>>> press
>>>>> the
>>>>> 5 POI button. This category list is in alphabetical order.
>>>>>
>>>>> Note: When you touch any of the 3 primary buttons on the main
screen,
>>>>> the
>>>>> focus is moved to the text portion of the screen and you will hear
the
>>>>> text
>>>>> spoken. If you want to activate one of those buttons again, you
need
>>>>> to
>>>>> move
>>>>> focus back to the button before activating it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Secondary Sendero LookAround Screens:
>>>>>
>>>>> Settings Screen:
>>>>>
>>>>> There are 4 items on the Settings screen, one above the other and
a
>>>>> Back
>>>>> button in the top left of the screen, which takes you out of
Settings
>>>>> and
>>>>> Back to the Main screen. These settings will be saved until you
>>>>> install
>>>>> a
>>>>> new version of LookAround.
>>>>>
>>>>> The first item is Shake Gesture. To its right is its on/off
status.
>>>>> You
>>>>> will
>>>>> hear Selected for the active status.
>>>>> If you select the Off status, the Shake button will be removed
from
>>>>> the
>>>>> main
>>>>> screen. This is different than the function of the Shake button on
the
>>>>> main
>>>>> screen, which turns it off temporarily.
>>>>>
>>>>> The second button allows you to select the map region and you will
>>>>> hear
>>>>> which one is selected to its right. The current options are North
>>>>> America
>>>>> for the US and Canada and the other is Europe, which contains most
but
>>>>> not
>>>>> all maps for the region. We hope to add other countries in future
>>>>> versions.
>>>>>
>>>>> The third button is Distance unit, Feet, Meters or Yards. The
active
>>>>> unit
>>>>> will say selected. The default is yards.
>>>>>
>>>>> The fourth button will take you to the Help screen.
>>>>> This screen has hints and tips for using the iPhone. There is a
link
>>>>> at
>>>>> the
>>>>> bottom to the Sendero iPhone page, which has more details. The
Back
>>>>> button
>>>>> is in the top left corner. The disclaimer button is in the bottom
>>>>> right
>>>>> corner.
>>>>>
>>>>> POI Category Screen
>>>>>
>>>>> This screen starts with a Back button in the upper left corner
>>>>> followed
>>>>> by
>>>>> the title text, Select POI Category.
>>>>>
>>>>> Below that is the currently selected item. Touch this item and
then
>>>>> move
>>>>> up
>>>>> and down through the list of categories. Whichever category is
>>>>> highlighted
>>>>> is the one that will be used once you return to the main screen.
There
>>>>> is
>>>>> no
>>>>> Save or Done button. Just press Back to return to the main screen.
>>>>>
>>>>> Known Issues:
>>>>>
>>>>> There may be locations where you hear a POI label spoken but no
data
>>>>> reported. Please email us with the city and state or lat/lon to
>>>>> GPS@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx if you come across this.
>>>>>
>>>>> There may also be situations where the POIs are far away or for
some
>>>>> other
>>>>> reason the swishing goes for a long time. It should time out after
2
>>>>> minutes.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Operational items to be aware of:
>>>>>
>>>>> Map data for most countries is from Tele Atlas with POI content
from
>>>>> Info
>>>>> USA. The data resides on a server so if phone connectivity is
lost,
>>>>> the
>>>>> data
>>>>> cannot be accessed. There is no data resident on the phone.
>>>>>
>>>>> The iPhone performs its positioning based on triangulation of the
>>>>> nearest
>>>>> cell towers as well as with GPS. This means that if you are
indoors,
>>>>> you
>>>>> can
>>>>> still receive rough location information even without GPS
reception.
>>>>> It
>>>>> depends how far away these cell towers are as to the accuracy you
will
>>>>> receive.
>>>>>
>>>>> When you are outside, the built-in GPS receiver and antenna can
>>>>> improve
>>>>> accuracy to the typical 30 to 50 feet range. For maximum accuracy,
>>>>> give
>>>>> the
>>>>> phone some time to acquire a GPS fix outside and away from tall
>>>>> buildings
>>>>> if
>>>>> possible. See the Sendero "GPS Accuracy" document for a
comprehensive
>>>>> explanation.
>>>>>
>>>>> The iPhone compass direction within Sendero LookAround helps to
>>>>> indicate
>>>>> which way you are oriented but it does not synch up with the
direction
>>>>> of
>>>>> the street it says you are on. It may be that it says you are
heading
>>>>> West
>>>>> and announces a street that only goes North and South. There is
>>>>> currently
>>>>> no
>>>>> way to corroborate this information. Magnetic fields in the
>>>>> environment
>>>>> such
>>>>> as electronics, elevators and large masses of metal can influence
the
>>>>> compass.
>>>>>
>>>>> It almost goes without saying that map and POI data can be out of
date
>>>>> as
>>>>> soon as published. We encourage users not to take it personally if
>>>>> their
>>>>> street or favorite business is not in the database. Amazingly,
most
>>>>> are.
>>>>>
>>>>> When you press Home and leave the Sendero LookAround app, it
remains
>>>>> running
>>>>> in the background but the GPS position is not active. When you
open it
>>>>> again, the last function you performed will display its
information on
>>>>> the
>>>>> screen.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Sendero LookAround app works with the iPhone 4 and 3GS but
does
>>>>> not
>>>>> work
>>>>> with the iPod Touch or the iPhone 3G.
>>>>>
>>>>> If you encounter a problem not listed here, please let us know as
well
>>>>> as
>>>>> feature requests. Send to iPhone @SenderoGroup.com or join our
Email
>>>>> Lists (http://senderogroup.com/social_media/email.htm)
>>>>>
>>>>> Copyright 2010 Sendero Group, LLC.
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael May, CEO Sendero Group
>>>>> Developers of accessible GPS and distributors of technology for
the
>>>>> blind
>>>>>
>>>>> Voice, 530-757-6800
>>>>> MikeMay@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> http://www.senderogroup.com
>>>>> http://www.AccessibleGPS.com
>>>>> http://www.CrashingThrough.com
>>>>>
>>>>> 429 F Street, Suite 4
>>>>> Davis, CA 95616
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Michael May, CEO Sendero Group
>>>>> Developers of accessible GPS and distributors of technology for
the
>>>>> blind
>>>>>
>>>>> Voice, 530-757-6800
>>>>> MikeMay@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
>>>>> http://www.senderogroup.com
>>>>> http://www.AccessibleGPS.com
>>>>> http://www.CrashingThrough.com
>>>>>
>>>>> 429 F Street, Suite 4
>>>>> Davis, CA 95616
>>>>>
>>>>>
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