[gmpi] Re: NAMM follow-up, some major decisions to make

  • From: "Angus F. Hewlett" <angus@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: gmpi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Mon, 31 Jan 2005 14:34:42 +0000

Ron Kuper wrote:

What we need is some compelling business reason for companies to want to
do this today. Is there something truly broken that GMPI will fix? (I
have ideas about what the answer is, but I'm curious what you all
think.)


The one thing that's really broken is something that, ironically, GMPI probably won't fix :(

With plugs becoming as complex as hosts, seems like it's time to investigate mechanisms that can combine the benefits of inter-app communication pipes like JACK and ReWire with the user convenience of plug-ins. Benefits like - each plug-in being its own process, having memory protection from the others and its own clearly defined contexts and resource pools.. and yet still able to persist its state with a song save.

My guess is tho', this would require support in the OS for very efficient, deterministic, low-latency context switching and fast IPC- not sure how well current desktop OS match up to this :-/

Cheers,
      Angus.

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Subject: [gmpi] Re: NAMM follow-up, some major decisions to make

I don't regard these points as likely to influence host vendors. They
all
got where they are today by doing the opposite, so their whole
experience
works against us.

When they start losing sales to open source competition or to GMPI-based
commercial competition, that will influence them.

I see two technical paths to this end:

First, base GMPI's reference implementation on OSC, or some other
network
protocol capable of beating MIDI at its own game, especially in
precision
timing and flexible control.

Second, make adapters so that anyone who develops with the reference
GMPI
SDK automatically gets VSTi, DXi, JACK, etc.

Then the first host vendor who adopts GMPI as a native protocol gets a
musical advantage over the others, and a lot of people will probably
have
written GMPI plugins that will leverage that advantage for the vendor.

Original Message:
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From: Mike Berry mberry@xxxxxxxxx
Date: Fri, 28 Jan 2005 10:19:47 -0700
To: gmpi@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [gmpi] Re: NAMM follow-up, some major decisions to make


I believe that one of the reasons that some large companies have
not seen any value in GMPI is that they don't see any need for interoperability in this arena, unlike with MIDI or IPv6. They regard their applications as platforms (in some cases, like Apple or MS, they actually ARE platforms). They see little benefit in encouraging multi-platform development - they would prefer to win the platform battle and make everyone write to their platform.
I think it is incumbent on those of us who do not share this
view to make it crystal clear why a common multi-platform plugin system is beneficial to all.


So in that spirit I want to start a list of the points in favor
of a standardized, multi-platform plugin environment in hopes of producing a document which might persuade some of the reluctant MMA members (I am assuming here that all of the companies in question primarily develop hosts):


- Widest possible variety of 3rd party plugins available for your host. This may be of particular interest to hardware developers who rarely have had access to 3rd party plugin innovation.

- Lower development costs since you only need to support one plugin API.

- Never having to support a plugin API controlled by a competitor.

- No developer support required since you do not control the API.

- Increased ability to create a single working environment for your customers. Currently, customers may need multiple hosts in order to access plugins or specific features only available on particular hosts. In the GMPI environment, particularly with nested hosts, the user can stay within their chosen host for all operations.

- A chance to discard legacy baggage accumulated over a number of years within your own proprietary API.


Please add to this list is you see other benefits to companies
with established hosts and/or plugin APIs.






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