Neville, Sure I'll answer the question. But, first stop avoiding the real issue. Don't just sling more Bible verses. Please tell me what actual Catholic resources you've read which explain what Catholics actually believe and teach. Or can't you focus on such an honest approach. Regards, Nick. _____ From: Dr. Neville Jones [mailto:ntj005@xxxxxxxxxxx] Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 8:27 PM To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Saul of Tarsus Nick, Since you brought up the 2+2=6 analogy, I want you to consider the following section of a speech by Saul ('Paul', if you prefer): "Therefore, my brothers, I want you to know that through Jesus the forgiveness of sins is proclaimed to you. Through him everyone who believes is justified from everything you could not be justified from by the law of Moses. Take care that what the prophets have said does not happen to you: 'Look, you scoffers, wonder and perish, for I am going to do something in your days that you would never believe, even if someone told you.' " (Acts 13:38-41, NIV.) Just think about that for a moment and make sure that you understand what Saul/Paul is saying and who he is talking to and who he is talking about. Okay, now Saul/Paul has quoted from the Hebrew, right? Well, not quite. Take a look at what is actually written: "Look at the nations and watch - and be utterly amazed. For I am going to do something in your days that you would not believe, even if you were told." (Hab. 1:5, NIV.) Do you see the difference? Do you see the hatred that Saul has for the Jews/Israelites? Do you see how he has twisted and contorted the words of YeHVaH, hallowed be His name, to suit his own teachings? Or are you going to tell me that 2+2=6 ? Neville. Neville, That's it Neville. Don't deal with the actual issue. You don't know what Catholics actually believe and teach. So, rather than admit it, you respond by treating this as an issue of opinions. You avoided my earlier question by just responding "Good grief". If you get pinned down, just dodge, right? How about this one. Assume I belonged to a Math organization which taught 2+2=4. Assume also you are highly critical of me and my organization for teaching that 2+2=6. I explain to you that you've read some bad stuff about my organization, since we don't teach 2+2=6, so I suggest you go to the source and see what we actually teach. An honest person actually interested in the real truth would do this. A dishonest person would just keep right on being critical or responding with answers that avoid the matter. I've reached a decision about you Neville. You aren't interested in the real truth. This is obvious to any thinking person. If you ever change, try reading Denzinger, The Sources of Catholic Dogma. You can find it easily if you choose. This would at least be a start in understanding what the Catholic Church actually teaches. Regards, Nick.
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