Yes, it seems Neville you are having the same difficulty as I in comprehending this anglo style. I red the full text, and as Allen said, it appears Paul ws condemning lies not advocating it. This by the way is strict Catholic teaching. It is a sin to lie. Not even for some apparent good. Not even a "white Lie" as it was called. Still a sin, though may not ne a mortaL SIN. . STILL A SIN. Phil. ----- Original Message ----- From: Allen Daves To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Saturday, July 16, 2005 5:43 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Saul of Tarsus ( N) And advocates lying:(Rom 3:7 KJV) For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?(Lev 19:11 KJV) Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another. (A)One again you miss the whole point,specificaly the next verse........ 8 And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just. The context includes verse 7 remarks............Sooner or later you are going to have to go to Jeruselem and make a guilt offering for these accusations that are ovbviously false. "Dr. Neville Jones" <ntj005@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote: And advocates lying: (Rom 3:7 KJV) For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?(Lev 19:11 KJV) Ye shall not steal, neither deal falsely, neither lie one to another. Neville. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Yahoo! Messenger NEW - crystal clear PC to PC calling worldwide with voicemail