Dear Neville, Here is a quote from one of Steven's earlier e-mails. It is the 'additional component of motion' that Steven mentions below that I was referring to as a 'fudge' factor. Jack 'over a period of twelve months. This, too, is rotational movement, where the period of rotation is one year and the orbital radius is one astronomical unit. But the problem with this is, if the Earth is always keeping aligned with the Northern celestial pole, then it cannot at the same time stay aligned at the same time with the Southern celestial pole. Another way to imagine this problem is this:How does heliocentrism account for this? A peculiar additional component of motion has to be attached to the Earth in order to satisfy the requirement of accounting for what we actually see ----- Original Message ----- From: Neville Jones To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 8:07 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Is geocentrism supported by facts? Dear Jack, "Coincidence fudge factor"? Sounds like an Aussie sun tan lotion. I do not know what you mean. Neville www.GeocentricUniverse.com -----Original Message----- From: jack.lewis@xxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 19:56:08 -0000 Dear Neville, The drawing was just a thought in that it may help explain. The following was taken from your paper on this subject from your website. 'But this is not what we see. Rotation about the ecliptic polar axis is demonstrable for the Sun and, to a close approximation, most of the planets, but not for the stars. Yearly circular motion of the stars, irrespective of whether one assumes it to be real or apparent, about the ecliptic poles is not observed.' What I was trying visualise was what kind of trail would the heliocentric model stars make over a period of one year? I know they don't because of the 'coincidence' fudge factor, but if there were no fudge factor what would we expect to see in the heliocentric model? If you can explain it to me then I would be happy to try and illustrate it. Jack ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get Free 5GB Online Storage - Safely store your documents, photos and music online! Visit http://www.inbox.com/storage to find out more!