Sorry Jack.. I should have scrolled down..and didn't.. I jumped to the conclusion you were complaining of rule 2 which was sort of logical.. However, no I still disagree with you, rule three is excluding observation from the ground, as evidence for either scenario. I assume this refers to visible observations, ah la the sun rises..... And I agree. Science is more about the practical application of Newtons laws, which prohibit the geocentric view, and support the heliocentric,even though this goes against what is observed on the ground. I thought the rule 3 just excluded blind belief in the illusion caused by relative motions. Once again sorry for jumping in too quick. Will you be responding with an answer to the request for 5 reasons as requested.. This is a great opportunity to get to the basics of the matter. Philip. ----- Original Message ----- From: Jack Lewis To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 7:21 PM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Is geocentrism supported by facts? Steady on Philip! I never mentioned anything about my belief system. Why don't you re-read the part of Regner's rule 3 that was in my e-mail. Jack ----- Original Message ----- From: philip madsen To: geocentrism list Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 9:50 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Is geocentrism supported by facts? Thats nonsence Jack! I understand your zeal, but Dr Trampedach is not questioning the reason for your belief system, just as he is not supporting the establishments belief system that opposes scripture. He is merely asking for scientific physical arguments in support of geocentrism.. That God told us it was so, is not evidence. Philip. Dear Regner, Regarding rule 3 is this not used as part of a reason supporting heliocentricity? Jack Lewis ----- Original Message ----- From: "Regner Trampedach" <art@xxxxxxxxxx> To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx> Sent: Thursday, October 18, 2007 3:17 AM Subject: [geocentrism] Is geocentrism supported by facts? > 3) The most basic observations in regards to the movements in the > Solar system is the movements of the Sun, stars, the Moon, the > planets, etc. That they move across the sky cannot in itself be > taken as evidence for or against the geocentric theory. > > Regards, > > Regner Trampedach -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1075 - Release Date: 17/10/2007 9:38 AM ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.5.488 / Virus Database: 269.14.13/1075 - Release Date: 17/10/2007 9:38 AM