Stephen J In your post From Steven Jones Thu Oct 18 16:42:44 2007 you said - Yearly circular motion of the stars, irrespective of whether one assumes it to be real or apparent, about the ecliptic poles is not observed. During the period 2006 Mar 31 to 2006 Apr 27 under the heading "Ecliptic poles" I explained in lengthy detail why you failed to observe this phenomenon. Long story short -- you were pointing your camera in the wrong direction and using the wrong exposure. Paul D Sick of deleting your inbox? Yahoo!7 Mail has free unlimited storage. http://au.docs.yahoo.com/mail/unlimitedstorage.html