[geocentrism] Re: Is geocentrism supported by facts?
- From: Regner Trampedach <art@xxxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2007 04:47:00 +0200
For this discussion, the history of the Earth or the Universe, is
irrelevant. That does of course not mean that their histories are
irrelevant or uninteresting in general - on the contrary. But that
is a whole other subject where I do not expect you to agree with
modern science and such a discussion would bring either of us anywhere.
Could you PLEASE just give me the five points that you find provide
the best support of your theory of a geocentric Universe?
Regards,
Regner Trampedach
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Quoting Jack Lewis <jack.lewis@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> Dear Regner,
> I believe I did. Everything that cannot be directly measured must be guessed
>
> at, even though it be an 'informed' guess.
>
> If a departure from an axiom is observed what does that then do for the
> axiom?
>
> Your statement,'Physical constants might have been very slightly different
> in the very early Universe - but nothing that will affect this discussion.
>
> Not so! What you may believed happened in the early universe is exactly
> that - a belief, nobody was there to check-it out. As an example only,
> experiments regarding radiometric dating cast a severe doubt on the
> constancy of radioactive decay rates which would have a marked effect on any
>
> current discussion of that subject. I think you have to be careful about
> making generalised statements based on what will and what will not affect a
> discussion. If there is a problem with an axiom or accepted scientific
> wisdom I want to be aware of it. I await your response on the other matters.
>
> Jack
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Regner Trampedach" <art@xxxxxxxxxx>
> To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 2:24 PM
> Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Is geocentrism supported by facts?
>
>
> > You didn't exactly state any axioms of science - you just repeated
> > the definition. Whether the Solar system is geocentric or heliocentric
> > is by no means a question of axioms - we can go out and measure it,
> > as has been done. One of the axioms of science is that the laws of
> > physics are the same everywhere and at all times. That is not necessarily
> > a true axiom, however, as we might be able to observe departures from
> > that.
> > So far we have not found reason to abandon that "axiom" - although there
> > are some tentative results on the "at all times" part. Physical constants
> > might have been very slightly different in the very early Universe - but
> > nothing that will affect this discussion.
> > I will address specific issues when I have compiled the list. You
> > are not the only one who have, or will, raise these two particular
> > issues.
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Regner Trampedach
> >
> >
> > Quoting Jack Lewis <jack.lewis@xxxxxxxxxxxx>:
> >
> >> Dear Regner,
> >> Before answering your question, I would like to preface it by stating
> >> that
> >> it is important to me that scientific facts have to be 'true' and not
> >> just
> >> an accommodation to satisfy a set of criteria. Also that the
> >> 'traditional'
> >> meaning of science,as I have said in a previous posting, accords with
> >> Carl
> >> Popper's description. So my answer to your question below is 'everything
> >> that cannot be verifiably measured or experimentally repeated'. I realise
> >> that geocentrism falls into that category as does heliocentrism.
> >>
> >> Also I would hope that at some point you will address the two examples I
> >> posed in an earlier post - stellar parallax issue and the interferometer
> >> experiments.
> >>
> >> regards
> >>
> >> Jack
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> >> ----- Original Message -----
> >> From: "Regner Trampedach" <art@xxxxxxxxxx>
> >> To: <geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
> >> Sent: Friday, October 19, 2007 12:25 AM
> >> Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Is geocentrism supported by facts?
> >>
> >>
> >> > "unverifiable assumptions [that] are used as a priori" are called
> >> > axioms.
> >> > Could you tell me what the axioms of science are?
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> >
> >> > Regner Trampedach
> >> >
> >>
> >
> >
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