[geocentrism] Re: Earth gravity static or time dependent?
- From: Allen Daves <allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx>
- To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
- Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2007 08:46:39 -0700 (PDT)
The Aether most certainly has density!.......
First i was alluding to the theoretical construct based on the calculation of
plank "absolutes"....this is a reasonable "starting point"...if for no other
reason then there is no other viable alternative...
Second as for the density of the Aether it most certainly does have a density
this is proven via the Aspeden effect and gravity slingshots tides..ect....the
correct illustration would be that of air..... what is the density of the air
that you all move though in our own houses?..you can't perceived it cause it is
the "natural state" but it is real and can be measured but only measured in
terms that have meaning such as how it correspond to the density of water or
mercury...... Now the key think to keep in mind is the fact that "density" is a
specific descriptive term for ordinary and observable effects that do have
meaning to an observer......... I point this out because we can described the
density of the Aether not just in theoretical calculations of plank absolutes
but also in terms of observable effects such as the aether??s ability to have
mass in motion impart force to the aether and then the aether in turn to impart
that energy back to a mass...Aspeden effect,
gyroscopic effect..grav slingshots...in the short term any calculations will
be general estimates but still useful descriptions.......
The Aether most certainly has density, because it has physical affects on
physical objects and physical objects have a effect on it......... think about
that....the only difference is in our ability to perceive the "natural state"
of our own environment..like a fish in water or a man walking in is own
house..the issue we have to address is not if it has density but rather what is
the best way of relating/describing or understanding that density ..or what is
the best demonstrable and knowable frame of reference from which to objectively
measure it by...i only point out the based on the bibles description of a
firmament and planks calculations it is a good starting point but i think can
be refined based on the other observations i mentioned
...................................
The key is in the efficiency of the "force" transfer between aether and
"ordinary mass" and visa versa....that can give us a useful measurement and
thus a "frame of reference" by putting some properties into context of the
ordinary..... we can then extrapolate/ measure against that its some of its
other properties....it won?t be perfect but it will be useful.........
Neville Jones <njones@xxxxxxxxx> wrote: Allen,
What do you take the density of the aether to be?
Neville
www.GeocentricUniverse.com
-----Original Message-----
From: allendaves@xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tue, 18 Sep 2007 19:56:19 -0700 (PDT)
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Earth gravity static or time dependent?
I leaving shortly for a short trip ill be back late Thursday or
Friday Lord willing. However to address your question in short ..we can discuss
this in more detail when I get back â?¦..based on the apparent interaction
(transfer of energy/force efficiency) of aether and mass and visa vers ie
Aseden effectâ?¦gravitational slingshots and suchâ?¦taking into account the
presumed â??densityâ?? of the aether,â?¦ the "known" mass and mass distribution
patterns observable within the universe a few Ukn variables such as the size
of the Aether(universe) â?¦.I suggest not only is a vibration with a active
and reactive matix the most logical and demons ratable solution but it is the
frequency necessary to produce the attached ��just like something you can
produce on a sound board with sand the only difference is a 3 matrix (aether)
rather then just the 2d of a sound board��
----- Original Message ----
From: philip madsen <joyphil@xxxxxxxxxxx>
To: geocentrism@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 5:31:29 PM
Subject: [geocentrism] Re: Earth gravity static or time dependent?
Allen I know that in the past I have tended to disagree if not just avoid
your vibrational universe. This may have been a communication problem of my
own. I do not like calling Light electromagnetic waves having the same
theoretical structure as radio for instance. Can anyone demonstrate an
electrical current at light frequencies for example, as they can do with radio
frequencies? I think not. Light might be corpuscular, radio is not. Light
might be photons, radio is not. I say "might" because I doubt it.
Hence, likewise vibration. I do not like the use of the term vibration in any
context other than as something physically felt.. pressure sound. I would
never call a 60hz electrical current flow a vibration, except by way of
analogy. eg the electrons vibrate longitudinally in the conductor.
But on re reading your words I get the impression you use the term for all
types of cyclic variations, in anything, be it pressure, mechanical, electrical
etc. Perhaps you are calling any single cycle sinisoidal or non sinisoidal,
event that has a frequency of one year or a hundred years, a vibration...I
wouldn't, but if you are doing so, then perhaps I can agree with you as regards
the aether having a frequency. Nay, perhaps even several different cyclic
events as effects on matter, due to interveneing forces in matter itself.
Having cleared that up, I can now see what you are driving at, re the aether
pressure (gravity) "squeezing" the water of the oceans towards the moon because
the moon interferes with this aetheric "pressure" on its side of the earth.
But I see this effect without need of any "vibration".
If you are saying the aether itself has a basic frequency of "vibration" ,
what structure does this cycle have, and what is its frequency? Why cannot this
gravity pressure be a static constant in a given location, just as is and for
the same reason water pressure in a pond, is static.
This water pressure phenomenon is transmitted via the molecular/nuclear
"vibrations" , but the vibrations are not the cause of the strength of the
pressure. Likewise perhaps you might agree is the aether.. I can get that.
But you are assuming what all do, and which may be incorrect, nay most probably
incorrect, that the aether has the properties of a material substance.
Back to Harold Aspden... the aether is a simple neutral state of electrical
charges which without intervening environment , demonstrate no external
material measurable effect. . eg when we make an electrical current flow, we
disturb these charges balance, and create a magnetic force stress.
Philip.
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