Just to update everyone about the "network storm" issue. We had another *event* today while we were at the root switches. Again cycling the power corrected the problem (this time in less than 4 minutes). No electrical cord was anywhere near that MCC. (We can rule that one out.) We have new switches ordered (for a lack of anything else to try). We checked the configuration and looked for errors on each root switch utilizing FoxMass' instructions. Nothing is showing up (everything is normal). The "sys_mon.log" file does not show anything leading up to the * event*. I may have to re-think the star architecture because the entire DCS Network is dependent on the ROOT SWITCHES. My advice to everyone who has a MESH network is 'you should at least have a spare root switch'. I will try to keep everyone posted as to what was the cause and the solution. Gaylon, I did not have time to call today but I will be talking to you at the SEUG meeting, provided we resolve this problem by then. Later, On Fri, Feb 6, 2009 at 7:00 AM, Doucet, Terrence <tdoucet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > wrote: > Mike, > > The extension cord if used with a drill or saw or similar tool, could have > been the cause of electrical noise entering your network. The Foxboro > signals themselves are fibre so thus immune, but the switches are high speed > computing devices that are susceptible to electrical noise. High frequency > noise on the neutral could pass right through the power supply section of > the switch and saturate the electronics. > > If you want to read about just how weird electrical noise can be, read > through NPS-EC-07-002 (USA Naval Post-Graduate school) in Section 3.1.5 > where they discuss how a defective utility pole (wood) caused a problem at a > naval radio station, two miles down the road! > > http://www.nps.edu/Research/publications/07techrpt.html > > I suspect you can easily justify a ban on the practice of using tools in > the vicinity of your switches at your facility. > > > Terry Doucet, Eng. > > > -----Message d'origine----- > De : foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] De > la part de Michael Jaudon > Envoyé : February 5, 2009 6:46 PM > À : foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > Objet : Re: [foxboro] network storm > > Terry, > Nobody was doing any work on the DCS at all. > > The only thing we have found, at this point, is a contractor had an > extension cord plugged into a wall outlet located in the room with the root > switch. He was using this outlet during the time period we had trouble. > I'm not an electrical guy but I'm told that the "neutral" is common with > the > UPS circuit and with the "dirty" regular power (sorry about that Gaylon) > whatever that means. > > I know that's a stretch but nothing else at this point is obvious. > > Gaylon, I got your document that was posted on the Cassandra website and > it > has been thoroughly discussed. I may give you a call tomorrow...if not > I'll > see you at the SEUG meeting. > > All is well at the moment but everyone is uneasy. > > Thanks for everyone's input. > > Mike Jaudon > Tronox, LLC > > On Thu, Feb 5, 2009 at 3:58 PM, Doucet, Terrence < > tdoucet@xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx > > wrote: > > > Mike, > > > > Cycling power gets you out of trouble relatively quickly but you still do > > not know what caused the trouble. Was there any work going on with any of > > the switches or devices connected to the MESH? Gaylon mentions the Loop > > Detection Policy. If this is not enabled you can easily trigger a storm > by > > interposing a HUB between a station on your MESH and then "accidentally" > > connecting a second port on your HUB back to the MESH. But this would > kill > > you right away, so unless someone was playing with cables, that is not > the > > cause. > > > > Was anyone testing a new program on an AW? If they were performing a > whole > > lot of omget's (or the AIMAPI equivalent) without pausing, that might get > > you a storm. > > > > Terry Doucet, Eng. > > > > > > > > -----Message d'origine----- > > De : foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > De > > la part de Hicks, Gaylon F > > Envoyé : February 5, 2009 4:00 PM > > À : foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Objet : Re: [foxboro] network storm > > > > Hi Mike, > > > > I am Chicken Little no more! This happens to be one of my favorite pet > > peeves and soapbox issues with the Foxboro mesh network. Boring > > discussion below. > > > > There are things you can do in the switches to reduce your vulnerability > > to these network storms. One is to configure all your broadcast packet > > limits on all 100MB ports to 500 packets/second, and if your switches > > will support it, implement the Loop Detection Policy (LDP) algorithm. > > There is also a multicast packet suppression policy you can implement, > > but Foxboro does not officially support that. And (my personal > > favorite) you can implement VLANs to segment your ZCP field bus from > > your ZCP Control Network. Also not officially support, but useful. > > > > One thing we have seen with the ZCPs while doing network storm testing > > is that the ZCP/FCM communications start to get sloooooow, and I/O > > updates slow down. Depending on your process, this can be a problem. > > We'll probably discuss this issue at the SEUG meeting next week. Are > > you going to make it? Either way, feel free to give me a call or email > > if you want to talk about this in more detail. > > > > Good luck with everything. > > > > Thanks, > > Gaylon Hicks > > TVA - Browns Ferry > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:foxboro-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] > > On Behalf Of Michael Jaudon > > Sent: Thursday, February 05, 2009 1:27 PM > > To: foxboro@xxxxxxxxxxxxx > > Subject: [foxboro] network storm > > > > We experienced a first for our plant site today. We had all > > workstations, > > on the mesh side of the network, to "smurf" out. Upon visually checking > > our > > ZCP270s I noticed that of each of the ZCP270s had gone single with it's > > associated FT module gone to red/green. > > Looking at the switches...we have 3 sets of switches including the root > > switch. On each of the switches the lights were all flashing rapidly > > and in > > unison. It wasn't until we cycled the power on the root switches (one > > at a > > time) that the network came back. > > > > Talking to our field service rep...he said the situation we had was a > > "network storm". The cause is unknown. > > > > My question is has anyone ever experienced a "network storm" on a mesh > > network and if so what caused it? > > > > Our mesh network has been in operation since Oct 2008 and this is the > > first > > issue we have had with it. > > > > We are running a Mesh Network version 8.4.1. > > > > -- > > Mike Jaudon > > Tronox, LLC > > Hamilton, MS > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________________________________ > > This mailing list is neither sponsored nor endorsed by Invensys Process > > Systems (formerly The Foxboro Company). Use the info you obtain here at > > your own risks. 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