Please do not take my comments in a hostile way.
Are we to assume that those of you who're commenting on this subject
have direct experience with interrogation of hostile persons?
If so, have you ever been responsible for extracting information from
an individual (or group of individuals) that you knew for a fact had
been involved in acts of extreme violence and/or had been facilitators
for such acts and/or were thought to be planning future acts of
extreme violence?
I know (or think I know, maybe just believe) that many of you on this
list do have direct experience with a variety of clandestine
operations from the InfoSec side.
Some of you are still working in this world, either directly or as
'private contractors'. I don't expect you to reveal this to everyone.
But if you're going to become such pious moralizers and sound off with
such ferocious indignation on this topic of interrogating individuals
who are involved in an extreme and intolerant ideology that would
eradicate every moral and social advance we've made over the past 150
years I do expect that you'll either admit you do have experience or
that you don't.
If, by chance, you admit to having experience, please enlighten the
rest of us in how you extract information from and individual (or
group) who is 100% opposed to your very existence.
Personally, it's unfortunate that Americans can't find a way to
waterboard the entire current Administration and use every other
method of enhanced interrogation to find out what's really going on
with this group of people who seem to be much more like Pol Pot and
Joe Stalin than people who are interested in preserving a system of
government that, like it or not, has done more good than harm.
Chien Fume
On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 2:02 PM, doug <douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx
<mailto:douglasrankine2001@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
http://www.wsj.com/articles/cia-interrogations-saved-lives-1418142644
They still believe in their own lies...even though they have been
exposed as myths so many times. What kind of people are they?
Don't they even read the eminent research which has been carried
out in their own country, that there are better ways of obtaining
information from suspects? There is a whole science devoted to
the subject.
Also, why did they only allow CIA officers with a previous record
of abuse and violence and personality disorders to become the
interrogators, without any training in any form of interrogation,
advanced or otherwise? Why wasn't it overseen, why weren't
records kept. One would have thought that if it was all above
board, legal, justifiable, and heaven forbid, moral and ethical
and in the kidnapped'ts best interests as well as that of the
nation, that there would have been plenty of records kept; if only
to prove that it worked in theory and practice, and to show that
no illegal practices had been used. Instead they illegally
destroyed even the videos made of the torture..because they said
they were valueless. A new meaning for the word "incriminating"
more like.
I seem to remember one story on Cryptome, where one female CIA
officer, rather high up the heirarchy who was part of a team
trying to catch Bin Laden was so keen to get to the interrogations
that she moved rock and stone to get there. I wonder if it was
satisfying and what information did she receive after the 187th
time the suspect was water boarded. Did it help her to catch Bin
Laden and to win the war on terrorism. Nice to know that there is
equality between the sexes at the CIA.
$80 million dollars paid to a couple of inexperienced
psychologists...to make sure that the program was done credibly
and with respectability? A total of $180 million spent on the
programme!
Why did they involve so many other countries in their
"extaordinary rendition" trips and pay to have bases built in some
of the most respectable as well as nefarious countries in the
world. Why not have them on US territory? After all it was all legal.
I remember too, here in the UK the overflights and stopovers by
privately hired areoplanes carrying out the extraordinary
rendition, was denied by Jack Straw, the then Foreign Secretary.
It took aeroplane fanatics who took photos and accessed flight
records to prove that they had happened. The UK of course, has
signed the Human Rights Act and as signatory to the European
Convention on Human Rights and supports the European Court of
Human Rights. No torture, no support for torture. We were
supposed to have learned our lessons from using similar methods
against IRA suspects way back in the "troubles".
Have no crimes been committed here? Will no one be prosecuted for
crimes against humanity? Will the US still wage war and interfere
in other countries in the name of Enduring Freedom and Human
Rights... Begins to sound a bit hollow, but there you are that is
politics for you...
It is as well to remember that the greatest advocates for human
rights were the US prosecutors at the Nuremburg trials of the
Nazis. "Obeying lawful orders does not excuse abuse of the higher
human right to life"...Jackson...Leading US Prosecutor.
see url: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/keywords/nuremberg.html
ATB
Dougie.
Ah! Well! At least these human beings aren't cats...they didn't
eat their prey.
