[cryptome] Re: The CIA Saves Lives

  • From: Shaun O'Connor <capricorn8159@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cryptome@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Wed, 10 Dec 2014 12:43:03 +0000

on the subject of abuse and torture  here is haughty for you Douggie

In the UK as things stand at present. while it is an offence to  commit
abuse ( particularly sexual abuse) it is apparently NOT an offence to
cover such offences up. slightly "off topic" but i think highly relevant
in the light of allegations  made by a certain Collin Wallace.

I wonder if such abuse was used to destroy families of actual or would
be whistle blowers?

torture can take many forms including tactics designed to disrupt
peoples emotional stability and as a consequence render them as being
seen as unreliable in the eyes of the public.

as regards highly aggressive methods like water boarding, any
intelligence gained would be highly suspect on the grounds that such
information was gained under extreme duress, further one could argue
that the information given was more "what the nurturer wanted to hear"
as opposed to credible verifiable evidence.

Of course America are very good at using  "black" places for their
nefarious activities. funny how the US keeps Cuba at arms length yes
when it came to setting up their torture centres Guantanamo bay was
used. so suddenly Cuba became the secret ally .

And of course  Britain is just as culpable in its explicit aiding and
abetting of such measures.


On 10/12/2014 12:02, doug wrote:
> http://www.wsj.com/articles/cia-interrogations-saved-lives-1418142644
> They still believe in their own lies...even though they have been
> exposed as myths so many times. What kind of people are they?  Don't
> they even read the eminent research which has been carried out in
> their own country,  that there are better ways of obtaining
> information from suspects?  There is a whole science devoted to the
> subject.
> Also, why did they only allow CIA officers with a previous record of
> abuse and violence and personality disorders to become the
> interrogators, without any training in any form of interrogation,
> advanced or otherwise?  Why wasn't it overseen, why weren't records
> kept. One would have thought that if it was all above board, legal,
> justifiable, and heaven forbid, moral and ethical and in the
> kidnapped'ts best interests as well as that of the nation, that there
> would have been plenty of records kept; if only to prove that it
> worked in theory and practice, and to show that no illegal practices
> had been used.  Instead they  illegally destroyed even the videos made
> of the torture..because they said they were valueless. A new meaning
> for the word "incriminating" more like.
> I seem to remember one story on Cryptome, where one female CIA
> officer, rather high up the heirarchy who was part of a team trying to
> catch Bin Laden was so keen to get to the interrogations that she
> moved rock and stone to get there.  I wonder if it was satisfying and
> what information did she receive after the 187th time the suspect was
> water boarded.  Did it help her to catch Bin Laden and to win the war
> on terrorism.  Nice to know that there is equality between the sexes
> at the CIA.
> $80 million dollars paid to a couple of inexperienced
> psychologists...to make sure that the program was done credibly and
> with respectability?  A total of $180 million spent on the programme!
> Why did they involve so many other countries in their "extaordinary
> rendition" trips and pay to have bases built in some of the most
> respectable as well as nefarious countries in the world.  Why not have
> them on US territory?  After all it was all legal.
> I remember too, here in the UK the overflights and stopovers by
> privately hired areoplanes carrying out the extraordinary rendition,
> was denied by Jack Straw, the then Foreign Secretary.  It took
> aeroplane fanatics who took photos and accessed flight records to
> prove that they had happened.  The UK of course, has signed the Human
> Rights Act and as signatory to the European Convention on Human Rights
> and supports the European Court of Human Rights.  No torture, no
> support for torture.   We were supposed to have learned our lessons
> from using similar methods against IRA suspects way back in the
> "troubles".
> Have no crimes been committed here?  Will no one be prosecuted for
> crimes against humanity?  Will the US still wage war and interfere in
> other countries in the name of Enduring Freedom and Human Rights...
> Begins to sound a bit hollow, but there you are that is politics for
> you...
> It is as well to remember that the greatest advocates for human rights
> were the US prosecutors at the Nuremburg trials of the Nazis. "Obeying
> lawful orders does not excuse abuse of the higher human right to
> life"...Jackson...Leading US Prosecutor.
> see url: http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/keywords/nuremberg.html
> Dougie.
> Ah!  Well!  At least these human beings aren't cats...they didn't eat
> their prey.


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