Re: DRE: CTS community mail

  • From: Di Lhong <geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx>
  • To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
  • Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 14:43:15 +0200

Yep. Some df+1 or df+4 tracking might actually be from their automatic ff
dash motion they did before df+1 or df+4 too.

To see if a move tracks or not. You'll have to block jabs (1,2 or anything
at -1~3 on block..anything more will be harder to ss and sw if not
impossible eg.-8 is stand the fuck still) then retaliate with the move you
want to check while you're opponent ss or sw.

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 2:39 PM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:

> Indeed.
>
> I think there is bunch of these moves where people bitch about "tracking"
> where its simply the ff motion thats realigning the player.
>
> ------------------------------
> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 12:29:23 +0000
>
>
>  I’d be interested to see how most ff moves do against sw.
>
> So, take a few different ones like:
>
> Paul: ff+2:1
>
> Lei: ff+3
>
> King ff+4
>
> And just see how the majority of these do with side walking and how much
> of a ff motion is enough to adjust or whether simply doing the move will
> help.
>
>
>
> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 2:25 PM
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>
>
> Ah ok.
>
> Yeah ss and sw is 2 different things really. Some move may track ss but
> doesn't mean it'll track sw...
>
> Having pokes that at least stops people from ss is always helpful. Stop
> people from doing things like df1 on block ss bait for retaliation then
> launch them. I don't think there's moves that tracks sw though. That's
> where homing comes into play.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 2:21 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  Df+1 > 2 – delay it and it is safe (-9)
>
> Df+4 was safe in BR. Didn’t realise that it wasn’t in TTT2. Yeah, d+4 is
> probably a better bet though.
>
> Df+2 is spammable. Df+2>1 is easily hit confirmable. When the CH goes
> through (just easier for me), you’ve got the combo.
>
>
>
> Yeah, I don’t really sw or ss enough. At least swy forces me to adjust
> some of the time.
>
>
>
> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 2:07 PM
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>
>
> Not so spammable...
> df+1,2 is -11...
>
> df+2,1 is high second hit
>
> d+4 would be better than df+4 since he duck and kicks...at least it'll
> crush high. Also it's not -14 on block.
>
> Paul's d+1 is 14frames...that's not fast???
>
> Tracking is only a big issue if you don't ss sw yourself. Some characters
> have better tracking than others for sure. But that means you just have to
> ss sw to make your stuff track.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 2:01 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  It’s also not just a question of actual trackers.
>
> King’s got nice homing moves – the rolling sabot thing – f+3. It’s mid,
> safe, fast and homing. Ub+1 is the other one – you ss and get a high homing
> move. Works especially nicely after a ss – you can almost go around the
> opponent while doing a homing move.
>
> Anyways, those aside, the moves that you spam with King – df+1,2 or df+2,1
> or df+4 or 2,1 – all of them seem to just track a bit. Now I get that some
> moves track a bit to certain sides, but Kings moves just seem to follow the
> opponent better than the stuff Paul does. On Paul’s side, d+1, db+4 (and
> ws+4 actually) seem to do an okay job at close range for stopping the
> opponent. Of those three moves, only one of them is for throwing out while
> standing around – d+1. It’s not the fastest move out there though (well at
> least faster in TTT2 than BR though).
>
>
>
> *From:* Donaldson, Alasdair
> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 1:54 PM
> *To:* 'cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx'
> *Subject:* RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>
>
> Paul’s df+1 isn’t the best for tracking. D+1 will do a better job.
>
> Yeah, the df+2. In theory it doesn’t do anything special. In reality…
>
>
>
> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *Di Lhong
> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 1:50 PM
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
> *Subject:* Re: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>
>
> Yeah, the notation is a bit awkward. Stick to d+1 db+4 and df1 (not sure
> how well does df1 track)...Also df2 tracks a little i think.
>
> In general, quick lows usually track. Unless it has special property or
> something (eg. hits ground or something like that).
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair <
> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  Paul’s is 28f.
>
> On normal hit, I get a knd, but it also hits the guy strangely, so not
> nice oki. On CH I get full combo as in after it, I go for qcf+1 elbow
> launch.
>
>
>
> @Di – no idea how fast his qcb+4 is. The major problem with that is that
> it’s not something that I can do in retaliation to seeing movement. It’s an
> amazing move in general and sweet on CH, but the fact that it comes out of
> a swy means that it loses the homing usefulness.
>
>
>
> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 1:41 PM
>
>
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>
>
> what does paul get off his Tracker on hit/CH?
>
>
>
> I think Lei's is 1f slower(24f) with absolutely zero reward because he is
> forced to taunt.
>    ------------------------------
>
> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:35:24 +0000
>
> Sure, while you’re at it, why not give Paul a tracker that’s under 25f as
> well.
>
>
>
> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> <cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>] *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 1:33 PM
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> *Subject:* RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>
>
> Or make 1+2 track.
>
> Its high so can be ducked and stuff
>  ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:27:31 +0200
> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
> From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Without ff+3...Lei has df+3 which is bad...especially on hit XD
>
> If they just make ff+3 a homing move, i wouldn't mind that. It's the fact
> it's not and we keep thinking we can step it...
>
> If they make Lei like Brad Wong. I'm quitting. That drunken BS is too
> fluid with no space for interruption between stance transition.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Stephen Scheidel <gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>  Dude ff+3 has stupid tracking.
>
> Lei will track fine without it doing both sides track.
>
>
>
>
>
> On 19 February 2015 at 13:21, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  Lei's options getting stepped is already his a major weakness he has.
>
> He cant punish stepping properly and his trackers are ass.
>
> Its not even like ff+3 tracks properly either(And im fairly sure its only
> to one side).  Cant decide to ff+3 because I think the opponent is going to
> step.
>
> Lei is no better gameplay wise than he was in T6.  His damage boost is the
> only reason hes considered High in TTT2.
>
> Nerfing his tracking is the very last thing Lei needs.
>  ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:14:29 +0200
> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
> From: gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
>
>
> I would just make ff+3 a bit more linear ~ able to walk it to one side or
> something.
>
> Most of the tier list I've seen for TTT2 put him quite high.
>
>
>
> ...............There is nothing new we could discuss about Lei, we always
> bitch about him.
>
>
>
> On 19 February 2015 at 11:45, Donaldson, Alasdair <
> alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx> wrote:
>
>  Spam raisin rush. You don’t need anything else.
>
> I wonder what they’ve done about Lei’s combo damage. Just that isn’t
> enough to help a character. Hwo always has high combo damage, but lacks the
> other tools to make him top tier. Lei, however, also has good punishment
> and average pokes.
>
> Got to say that I don’t think Lei is a particularly low character. I’d put
> him happily mid – probably below Paul though.
>
>
> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 11:38 AM
>
>
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>
>
>
>
> lol
>
> They could...  but then hes going to need major buffs in order to compete.
>  ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:34:12 +0200
> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
> From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Remove ff+3.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Wynand-Ben <paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>
> wrote:
>
>  His "poking" and non gimmicky stance game is not great.  If you remove
> the shenanigans hes a below average character.
>
> So if they remove half his moves.  Ie less gimmicks he needs stronger
> tools to play a more normal game.
>
>
> He got a big damage buff in TTT2 but they didnt fix any of the core
> problems with his moves sadly.
>  ------------------------------
>
> From: alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:25:30 +0000
>
>
>
> Lei needs buffs? LOL!
> Good one Paas. I need that.
>
>
> *From:* cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx [mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx]
> *On Behalf Of *Wynand-Ben
> *Sent:* 19 February 2015 11:12 AM
> *To:* cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
> *Subject:* RE: DRE: CTS community mail
>
>
>
> They could pretty much dump half of Lei's movelist but then they would
> have to buff the rest of his stuff.
>
> Currently he has boatload of very situational moves combined with some
> that are just straight up bad.
>  ------------------------------
>
> Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:02:06 +0200
> Subject: Re: DRE: CTS community mail
> From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx
> To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx
>
> Lei and Capo lolz They need to remove some of their stuff and update them
> properly.
>
> Zafina might have a large move list. But all her moves are decent and
> useful.
>
> I wouldn't mind if they do a total revamp like they did for SC5. Maybe the
> series needs it. But keep some of the original cast and strong point of
> Tekken.
>
> Lucky Chloe moves are basically Capo Light. The same but doesn't knockdown
> lolz. She have a slippery kick that doesn't knock down and looks punishable
> as hell. On hit doesn't stagger or give much frames either T_T
>
>
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