RE: DRE: CTS community mail

  • From: "Donaldson, Alasdair" <alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>
  • To: "cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx" <cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
  • Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 12:01:28 +0000

It’s also not just a question of actual trackers.
King’s got nice homing moves – the rolling sabot thing – f+3. It’s mid, safe, 
fast and homing. Ub+1 is the other one – you ss and get a high homing move. 
Works especially nicely after a ss – you can almost go around the opponent 
while doing a homing move.
Anyways, those aside, the moves that you spam with King – df+1,2 or df+2,1 or 
df+4 or 2,1 – all of them seem to just track a bit. Now I get that some moves 
track a bit to certain sides, but Kings moves just seem to follow the opponent 
better than the stuff Paul does. On Paul’s side, d+1, db+4 (and ws+4 actually) 
seem to do an okay job at close range for stopping the opponent. Of those three 
moves, only one of them is for throwing out while standing around – d+1. It’s 
not the fastest move out there though (well at least faster in TTT2 than BR 
though).

From: Donaldson, Alasdair
Sent: 19 February 2015 1:54 PM
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Paul’s df+1 isn’t the best for tracking. D+1 will do a better job.
Yeah, the df+2. In theory it doesn’t do anything special. In reality…

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Yeah, the notation is a bit awkward. Stick to d+1 db+4 and df1 (not sure how 
well does df1 track)...Also df2 tracks a little i think.
In general, quick lows usually track. Unless it has special property or 
something (eg. hits ground or something like that).

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:46 PM, Donaldson, Alasdair 
<alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Paul’s is 28f.
On normal hit, I get a knd, but it also hits the guy strangely, so not nice 
oki. On CH I get full combo as in after it, I go for qcf+1 elbow launch.

@Di – no idea how fast his qcb+4 is. The major problem with that is that it’s 
not something that I can do in retaliation to seeing movement. It’s an amazing 
move in general and sweet on CH, but the fact that it comes out of a swy means 
that it loses the homing usefulness.

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Sent: 19 February 2015 1:41 PM

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what does paul get off his Tracker on hit/CH?

I think Lei's is 1f slower(24f) with absolutely zero reward because he is 
forced to taunt.
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:35:24 +0000
Sure, while you’re at it, why not give Paul a tracker that’s under 25f as well.

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[mailto:cpt-fgc-bounce@xxxxxxxxxxxxx] On Behalf Of Wynand-Ben
Sent: 19 February 2015 1:33 PM
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Subject: RE: DRE: CTS community mail

Or make 1+2 track.

Its high so can be ducked and stuff
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:27:31 +0200
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From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx>
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Without ff+3...Lei has df+3 which is bad...especially on hit XD
If they just make ff+3 a homing move, i wouldn't mind that. It's the fact it's 
not and we keep thinking we can step it...
If they make Lei like Brad Wong. I'm quitting. That drunken BS is too fluid 
with no space for interruption between stance transition.

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 1:24 PM, Stephen Scheidel 
<gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Dude ff+3 has stupid tracking.
Lei will track fine without it doing both sides track.


On 19 February 2015 at 13:21, Wynand-Ben 
<paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Lei's options getting stepped is already his a major weakness he has.

He cant punish stepping properly and his trackers are ass.

Its not even like ff+3 tracks properly either(And im fairly sure its only to 
one side).  Cant decide to ff+3 because I think the opponent is going to step.

Lei is no better gameplay wise than he was in T6.  His damage boost is the only 
reason hes considered High in TTT2.

Nerfing his tracking is the very last thing Lei needs.
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 13:14:29 +0200
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From: gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:gieroadsteve@xxxxxxxxx>
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>

I would just make ff+3 a bit more linear ~ able to walk it to one side or 
something.
Most of the tier list I've seen for TTT2 put him quite high.

...............There is nothing new we could discuss about Lei, we always bitch 
about him.

On 19 February 2015 at 11:45, Donaldson, Alasdair 
<alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx<mailto:alasdair.donaldson@xxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
Spam raisin rush. You don’t need anything else.

I wonder what they’ve done about Lei’s combo damage. Just that isn’t enough to 
help a character. Hwo always has high combo damage, but lacks the other tools 
to make him top tier. Lei, however, also has good punishment and average pokes.

Got to say that I don’t think Lei is a particularly low character. I’d put him 
happily mid – probably below Paul though.

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Sent: 19 February 2015 11:38 AM

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lol

They could...  but then hes going to need major buffs in order to compete.
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:34:12 +0200
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From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx>
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Remove ff+3.

On Thu, Feb 19, 2015 at 11:32 AM, Wynand-Ben 
<paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:paashaasggx@xxxxxxxxxxx>> wrote:
His "poking" and non gimmicky stance game is not great.  If you remove the 
shenanigans hes a below average character.

So if they remove half his moves.  Ie less gimmicks he needs stronger tools to 
play a more normal game.


He got a big damage buff in TTT2 but they didnt fix any of the core problems 
with his moves sadly.
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 09:25:30 +0000

Lei needs buffs? LOL!
Good one Paas. I need that.

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Sent: 19 February 2015 11:12 AM
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They could pretty much dump half of Lei's movelist but then they would have to 
buff the rest of his stuff.

Currently he has boatload of very situational moves combined with some that are 
just straight up bad.
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Date: Thu, 19 Feb 2015 11:02:06 +0200
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From: geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx<mailto:geosaurus8@xxxxxxxxx>
To: cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx<mailto:cpt-fgc@xxxxxxxxxxxxx>
Lei and Capo lolz They need to remove some of their stuff and update them 
properly.
Zafina might have a large move list. But all her moves are decent and useful.
I wouldn't mind if they do a total revamp like they did for SC5. Maybe the 
series needs it. But keep some of the original cast and strong point of Tekken.
Lucky Chloe moves are basically Capo Light. The same but doesn't knockdown 
lolz. She have a slippery kick that doesn't knock down and looks punishable as 
hell. On hit doesn't stagger or give much frames either T_T

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